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[Official] Shard of Patience | Shard of Patience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34506.msg435346#msg435346
« on: December 06, 2011, 12:21:14 am »


This card still seems too situational.
To work well it needs:
+6 creatures on the field.
Flooding.

To satisfy these conditions you have to have:
A 4 cards combo (SoP, Flooding, a creature and a spawner card like Mitosis or Fractal).
A huge amount of quanta: to play spawner, to play creatures, to keep flooding active.
To be delayed for 1 turn
At least one turn more to compensate turn of delay (with low Atk creatures, that means not high damage in any case)

And it isn't an OTK combo, not even a perfect draw. Many others combos deal more damage of this in less turns.

Moreover, it's very easy to break with:
Quanta Denial.
Creature Control.
Stall cards like Phase Shield.

Too much cards, slow, fragile and not so effective too.

What else to say?
Discuss :)
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Re: Shard of Patience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34506.msg435363#msg435363
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 12:45:52 am »
Absolutely needs some sort of buff. I think :water has so much potential in deck-building, but I really wish there was more of an incentive to use this card.
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Re: Shard of Patience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34506.msg435365#msg435365
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2011, 12:49:07 am »
Removing the delay has two big problems:

1) SoP counters SoX, and any card that does that is needed.
2) The theme would have to be redone entirely.

Other than those I'd like it, but it can probably be buffed in other ways too.
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Re: Shard of Patience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34506.msg435367#msg435367
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 12:49:26 am »
You'd have to give it some other type of a buff than removing the turn delay or else this completely overshadows Eclipse/Nightfall in too many ways.  Problem is:  Is there any other way to buff this card that would make it as useful?
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Re: Shard of Patience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34506.msg435389#msg435389
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2011, 01:40:14 am »
I have yet to see this card used once in the arena. I know that doesn't mean it's not used at all, but it's definitely not common.
As for possible buffs, there's lower cost, or adding to the effect that the opponent's creatures are delayed for a turn also. Maybe Switch the delay from you to your opponent; The delay's still involved in the theme (though slightly changed) and Daguerreo gets his wanted change ;)
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Re: Shard of Patience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34506.msg435396#msg435396
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2011, 01:55:27 am »
Random idea: in addition to how it's working currently, add one flooded square to both sides. Stackable.
However, I'm not sure how to fit that in the card's description. >.<

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Re: Shard of Patience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34506.msg435413#msg435413
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 02:24:15 am »
I have yet to see this card used once in the arena. I know that doesn't mean it's not used at all, but it's definitely not common.
I've seen it in a few arena decks on rare occasion, but the AI doesn't seem to ever play it.  I've seen it with precognition and mindgates, and seen it in regular spins.

What if instead of delaying your creatures for a turn, it did something like remove 1 turn from the SoSa turn counter?  I'm not sure how that would fit thematically, but it would keep the intended use of being a counter to SoSa while managing to suck less.

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Re: Shard of Patience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34506.msg435431#msg435431
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 02:49:04 am »
Only use I see for it is to counter SoX and be used in mono rushes, but that's pretty much it.

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Re: Shard of Patience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34506.msg435459#msg435459
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 03:29:31 am »
I highly doubt this card was simply intended as a counter to SoX.

As it is, it does need a buff, but it has its place in some scorpion decks or mono water (as in, 6x physalia, 6x crawler, 6x SoP, 2x congeal or permafrost or something, and 10x tower, death mark).

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Re: Shard of Patience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34506.msg435465#msg435465
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2011, 03:39:02 am »
Maybe the elemental buff shouldn't be that it's provides a stronger boost for :water Water creatures (or creatures in Flooding for that matter), instead maybe it should cast a strong Purify, granting, say, 3 Purify counters after the turn has passed for players who choose to use the Mark of :water Water.

Along with that however, it should probably provide a standard buff to any and all creatures possibly +2 |+0.

Would that outshine Purify?
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Re: Shard of Patience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34506.msg435493#msg435493
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2011, 05:15:44 am »
How about just changing it back to +1|+1? Yes, I know about Ball Lightning + Fractal, but with the turn delay any mass CC does it in.
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Re: Shard of Patience https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34506.msg435502#msg435502
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2011, 06:04:50 am »
I have no suggestions, just wanna watch the thread because I agree it needs buffed
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