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Re: Dirk https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17682.msg228553#msg228553
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2010, 08:05:30 pm »
gain 1 :electrum for every time you play this card (?)

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Re: Remake Dirk! (not Dagger) - poll added https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17682.msg251831#msg251831
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2011, 12:04:08 pm »
Poll modified a bit - Nerf ? option added. ::)
Subject name also changed to more catching one.

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Re: Remake Dirk! (not Dagger) - poll added https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17682.msg253529#msg253529
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2011, 08:51:33 pm »
What if you lowered the damage it dealt to 3 and made it so that it gave you a quanta the same type as your mark (primary mark for those that have multiple) each turn. It could still be free, not too strong for a "noob weapon (personally upgrading a card, in my mind, makes it not a noob card anymore), and be semi-useful.

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Re: Remake Dirk! (not Dagger) - poll added https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17682.msg253539#msg253539
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2011, 09:06:39 pm »
I used to use this card but when Vampire Stiletto effectively costs me 0 (uses up off colour immolation mana) I see no reason to use this instead.

I don't like the idea of it blocking but Cutpurse (should be 1-3 :electrum per successful attack rather than on playing card) and Throwing Knife seem like novel ideas that could work well.

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Re: Remake Dirk! (not Dagger) - poll added https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17682.msg253559#msg253559
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2011, 09:23:51 pm »
Throwing Knife seems interesting however the animation will be a bit misleading with an arrow attacking the target creature, when you clearly remembered having thrown a Knife.
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Re: Remake Dirk! (not Dagger) - poll added https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17682.msg253623#msg253623
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2011, 10:29:14 pm »
I still hate the idea that Dirk, an other and therefore theoretically weak weapon, would ever be better or more useable than the rare weapon of that element. If a mono gravity would rather use a Dirk rather than a Titan, even in little situations, then I very much dislike the idea.
Other cards should always be weaker than a card made for the element.
Non rare cards should be slightly weaker than rares.

Unless the new version of dirk is not in competitive distance from the upgraded rare weapons, I am against it.

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Re: Remake Dirk! (not Dagger) - poll added https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17682.msg253652#msg253652
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2011, 10:51:11 pm »
I still hate the idea that Dirk, an other and therefore theoretically weak weapon, would ever be better or more useable than the rare weapon of that element. If a mono gravity would rather use a Dirk rather than a Titan, even in little situations, then I very much dislike the idea.
Other cards should always be weaker than a card made for the element.
Non rare cards should be slightly weaker than rares.

Unless the new version of dirk is not in competitive distance from the upgraded rare weapons, I am against it.
I agree. The point of Dirk is to be a quick damage source for free, and with Mitosis coming out, I can see this card's usability on the rise alongside animate weapon. Keep it the same.

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Re: Remake Dirk! (not Dagger) - poll added https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17682.msg253659#msg253659
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2011, 10:57:42 pm »
I voted for Cutpurse assuming they were all just crafty names.

....Cutpurse is seriously OP - and besides. Who would be stupid enough to upgrade a shop weapon? Besides a clueless newb, I don't see why anyone would waste 1,500 electrum on a weapon that does nothing.

The dirk doesn't need a buff, and neither does longsword/gavel/longbow. If they got buffs, they would qualify as 'good' weapons, like Eternity, etc.

These are non-rare store-bought items: They aren't supposed to be the best. There's nothing that is great about them: if you want the good stuff, go out and grind your ass off for it.

Don't ruin the balance of the game by petitioning a buff for something that is so easily achievable, and has no need for a buff. Four damage a turn, for only a coupla quantum?

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Upgrade the dirk, or drive drunk.

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Re: Remake Dirk! (not Dagger) - poll added https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17682.msg253663#msg253663
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2011, 11:02:45 pm »
I like the idea that it can block the highest damaging creature but I think a weapon should be aggressive, like maybe a nonstackable effect of 1 damage a turn to the highest attacker. If this is too strong the attack of the dirk could stay the same as the dagger.

As for mitosis I think a 1 to  per turn ratio is still preferable to 0 for 4.

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Re: Remake Dirk! (not Dagger) - poll added https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17682.msg253763#msg253763
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2011, 12:29:00 am »
Who would be stupid enough to upgrade a shop weapon?
Since upgrading this weapon is such a bad idea, the card must be not worth using when upgraded. Thus, it needs a buff.
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Re: Remake Dirk! (not Dagger) - poll added https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17682.msg253770#msg253770
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2011, 12:38:32 am »
You aren't seeing the point. You can upgrade the longsword for the same ammount, +2 damage. If you want to get lower damage, be my guess. The upgraded version exists because it has to, or else the dagger wouldn't. There is no point to buff the card, unless you buff all shop cards, thus rendering rare weapons un-rare.

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Re: Remake Dirk! (not Dagger) - poll added https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17682.msg253773#msg253773
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2011, 12:47:03 am »
You aren't seeing the point. You can upgrade the longsword for the same ammount, +2 damage. If you want to get lower damage, be my guess. The upgraded version exists because it has to, or else the dagger wouldn't. There is no point to buff the card, unless you buff all shop cards, thus rendering rare weapons un-rare.
But upped longsword is used in some decks. While this thing... well, I don't think anyone has it upped (exepting those who have every single upped card).

 

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