Budokan #3 - Round 7

[majofa]

Stage I: For Honor - ROUND 7

Post your results and decks in this thread. Both winners and losers will post decks. Play fair, have fun, and good luck!


- Rounds are best-of-5.
- You may change decks between games.
- Shards are banned, unless BOTH players agree to using them. There will be no specific shard banning, either 'yes' for all, or 'no' for all.
- 'Other' cards are allowed.
- You may use any Mark.
- You may only use off-element cards that match your Squad's Aides. 6 of that element per Aide (Pillars/Pendulums do not count for the 6 cards).
- 33% of cards must be in element (Pillars/Pendulum DO count for this.)

Upgraded Cards:
Champions are allowed to use 2 upgraded cards for each Champion on their squad. (And an additional 2 upgraded cards for each permanent champion on their squad)
Challengers are allowed to use 2 upgraded cards for each Aide on their squad.

AIDES:
SQUAD #1: NONE
SQUAD #2:
SQUAD #3:

Spoiler for key:

Champion
Challenger (your element's color)
Aide

	Squad One	Squad Two	Squad Three
	Pella (1-3)	DANIEELA (3-2)	RootRanger (3-2)
	treebeard xiii (2-2)	Blacksmith (2-3)	Calindu (3-2)
	Regyptic (4-1)	Acsabi44 (2-3)	rem4life (1-3)
	Onizuka (4-1)	majofa (2-1)	Kuroaitou (0-4)
	neuroleptics (2-3)	PlayerOa (2-2)	Cheesy111 (3-2)
	Jenkar (1-2)	Afdarenty (4-0)	Opsinis (0-3)
	AnnaMall (4-1)	Naesala (0-3)	Hazardus10 (2-2)
	Vineroz (0-2)	Fireleaf (4-0)	Fippe94 (0-2)
	Kakerlake (4-1)	Paddoo (2-2)	Blaze (0-3)
	BeefSupreme (0-3)	Laxadarap (4-1)	rob77dp (2-2)
	ji412jo (0-2)	godmatrix (0-2)	Helston (4-0)
	ddevans96 (0-3)	RavingRabbid (1-2)	Spielkind (4-0)

Time left for Round 7:
Round 7 Complete

Rules
Just in case you still haven't read them

[Onizuka]

So let me get this straight.

I send you a PM, you don't respond during the time period, I refuse to play after the fact because you showed no effort to play during the time allotted, I don't get a win.

You send Kuro a PM, Kuro doesn't respond during the time period, but looks for you afterwords during the extension, you get the win.


This is absolutely bull.

*Edited for language*

[majofa]

So let me get this straight.

I send you a PM, you don't respond during the time period, I refuse to play after the fact because you showed no effort to play during the time allotted, I don't get a win.

You send Kuro a PM, Kuro doesn't respond during the time period, but looks for you afterwords during the extension, you get the win.


This is absolutely bull.

I sent you a message first, although it was in chat (I guess you were sleeping but logged on), but only after that did you send me a PM. The Round hadn't ended AND the next round hadn't been posted, since the Fire match was being played later that day.

In the Kuro situation, the round HAD already been posted. If it had not been posted, I would have played him.

[treebeard xiii]

Isn't the fact you arrange forum event matches through forum pm such that both players can prove their point within the streatch of the rules as such a chat pm does not remain, whereas a forum pm does your ruling is advantagous to your squad more than ours even if ruled the other way your squad is still at an advantage, maybe not as great a one but an advantage nonetheless our squad has only monos yours does not. On a further note oni did try to contact you before deadline and you did enter the forum in time you could easily have replyed with a time that you'd be able to play and so by rules you broke them as someone as long standing as you knows chat pms are unreliable as people may be in chat but not actually at the keyboard.

[neuroleptics]

Majofa, in this special case that you rule no one win and no one lose, i think team 2 shouldn't be getting  as aide
I don't wish to argue, but see-ing that we lose on the amount of upgrades and the fact that we have also no aide, is really .....

[Onizuka]

I sent you a message first, although it was in chat (I guess you were sleeping but logged on), but only after that did you send me a PM. The Round hadn't ended AND the next round hadn't been posted, since the Fire match was being played later that day.

In the Kuro situation, the round HAD already been posted. If it had not been posted, I would have played him.

Yes, 1 line in chat. And I told you in the PM I sent you I was sleeping.

So you didn't play Kuro because the round was posted. WHO. POSTS. THE. ROUNDS?

[treebeard xiii]

on second thoughts why don't we get someones opinion on squad 2 and see what they say plus a neutral in the matter.

[majofa]

In the Kuro situation, the round HAD already been posted. If it had not been posted, I would have played him.

So you didn't play Kuro because the round was posted. WHO. POSTS. THE. ROUNDS?

It had been 2 days since the deadline, not 12 hours. I told you the round had been extended because the Fire and Time matches were being played later that day (Monday).

[Onizuka]

Fire match's extenuating circumstances (new player) can allow for an extension.

Time match proving that both sides had been active can allow for an extension.

Light match has one side with a PM sent to the other player during the timeframe, 1 side having sent 1 chat message that wasn't replied to in chat during the timeframe(but acknowledged in a PM).

So the argument now is that 1 chat message is enough to warrant an extension.

But wait, we have this round. I am champion, majofa is aide, and Kuro is challenger. Which means: '-If the Champion does not make an attempt the Challenger becomes Champion, Aide becomes Challenger.' happened. This goes directly against the above argument that 1 chat message is enough.

And two rounds ago '-If the Challenger does not make an attempt the Aide becomes the Challenger, Champion stays Champion.' happened. This was awarded a win.  And your reasoning for awarding yourself the win was because

I never got any response from him.

And I never got any response from you.

But now you're saying that the time matters. That because I refused to play within 12hrs after the deadline passed that it's different than Kuro looking for you those two days. Why was Kuro only given two days? Why was I not given another day to reconsider (BTW: Still not playing that)?


Both times, you have ruled on a decision that involves one side not sending PMs. Both times, you have decided on the amount of time your opponent gets. Both times, you have ruled in your favor (this time it is not as evident).

[majofa]

I had never gotten any indication that either of the Time participants had PM'd each other. I sent them a PM the same time I sent Acsabi44/rem4life and you a PM saying the round was extended so that the Fire match could be played and to play their match if possible. If rem4life and Acsabi44 couldn't find a time to play, Acsabi44 would have been awarded the win. If the Time match couldn't get played, then whoever was more active would have been given the win. If the Light match could not have been played, then Onizuka would have been given the win. They were able to play the Fire match, Acsabi44 won. They were able to play the Time match, neuroleptics won. They were able to play the Light match, but one of the participants refused to play.

Win by PM is an absolute last resort. <-- Absolute

If the Light match was the last left to be played, I would never have extended the round for myself.

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What's this about Kuro looking for me for 2 days? I had extended the round because Hazardous10's power had cut out, but he didn't contact AnnaMall at all after that.

[Onizuka]

The budo PM I got from you was regarding our match. The fire match stuff was done in chat.

So your reasoning for why our match is allowed to happen despite your lack of response is because win by PM is the absolute last resort. So deadlines are nothing but suggested times to finish our matches? We can completely ignore deadlines because the time will be extended no matter what? You might as well add another two days to the current deadline timer because I'm not sure if I'll feel like opening the game in the next 4 days and 12hrs after this.

And if neuro and cheesy never sent in proof of activity, guess what? They deserve what it says in the rules. The aide gets the victory, the aide gets to become the champion, and the Champion becomes the challenger. Because that's what the rules say. The match didn't happen during the time allotted and that's what they deserve. Because that's the rules, majo. Your desire that win by PM is an absolute last resort is not.


So the light match wasn't even a factor for the extension? That pretty much says that win by PM was decided before the extension. And yes, Kuro was on in chat looking for you during both days. Or does Kuro looking in chat not count? Because then I don't know why you even brought up your chat message.

[majofa]

The budo PM I got from you was regarding our match. The fire match stuff was done in chat.

So your reasoning for why our match is allowed to happen despite your lack of response is because win by PM is the absolute last resort. So deadlines are nothing but suggested times to finish our matches? We can completely ignore deadlines because the time will be extended no matter what? You might as well add another two days to the current deadline timer because I'm not sure if I'll feel like opening the game in the next 4 days and 12hrs after this.

And if neuro and cheesy never sent in proof of activity, guess what? They deserve what it says in the rules. The aide gets the victory, the aide gets to become the champion, and the Champion becomes the challenger. Because that's what the rules say. The match didn't happen during the time allotted and that's what they deserve. Because that's the rules, majo. Your desire that win by PM is an absolute last resort is not.


So the light match wasn't even a factor for the extension? That pretty much says that win by PM was decided before the extension. And yes, Kuro was on in chat looking for you during both days. Or does Kuro looking in chat not count? Because then I don't know why you even brought up your chat message.

I sent Acsabi44 and rem4life a PM, rem4life then sent a PM to Acsabi44 stating when he could play. <--- This was NOT done through chat.

The 3 PMs were sent separately of each other, so, of course, my PM was about our match.

I'll say it again, the ONLY reason the round was extended was because of the Fire match. What you mentioned in the rules is ONLY if the match doesn't get played.

As far as the difference between me and Kuro is: I never received a message - chat or PM - respond to. You did. And as I told you by PM, if your opponent had been anyone else, you would have received a game loss. This way you have a chance to fight a match where the win advances you to the next round.