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Brawl #6 Suggestions & Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63844.msg1253895#msg1253895
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Re: Brawl #6 Suggestions & Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63844.msg1254331#msg1254331
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2016, 07:33:45 pm »
Just want to quickly point out that Bard is just a renamed Artist role. There aren't any musical tasks this Brawl, owing to their unpopularity

What? They've been very popular every brawl, at least for the few people interested in music. Amnd well, even if there is none at all, we can always create them, by challenges.

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Very popular, yes - but for very few. Brawl is all about inclusivity.

You're quite right of course, feel free to make as many musical challenges as you like.

Further discussion about musical tasks should be taken to Suggestions and Feedback.

I'm with Joey on this one, this is a very disappointing direction to go in. Does this decision come from how only a few teams had uh... viable... submissions for the last musical task? Even in the last Brawl we've had teams that were incapable of producing the art necessary-- why not dump Artist tasks too?
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Re: Brawl #6 Suggestions & Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63844.msg1254332#msg1254332
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2016, 07:49:00 pm »
At the very least, it can be argued that -certain- artistic tasks can be performed by everyone, and we should only use those, Aves. The ones that force you to make a certain item in a certain way (use only pencil, use only IRL life) can go die in a fire.

-all- musical tasks have the barrier that people need to learn how to make music, and that anyone that already has already wins.


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Re: Brawl #6 Suggestions & Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63844.msg1254334#msg1254334
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2016, 08:01:40 pm »
Fair point on the medium restrictions. I can see your reasoning there, though I don't particularly have an opinion one way or another on that atm.

However...

-all- musical/artistic/writing/creative tasks have the barrier that people need to learn how to make music/art/coherent strings of words and punctuation/[insert task here], and that anyone that already has already wins.

« Last Edit: December 30, 2016, 08:09:56 pm by Aves »
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Re: Brawl #6 Suggestions & Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63844.msg1254338#msg1254338
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2016, 08:25:12 pm »
While I see your point Aves, I'd argue that the musical barrier is a lot higher than the other barriers.
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Re: Brawl #6 Suggestions & Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63844.msg1254340#msg1254340
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2016, 08:39:52 pm »
Spoiler for Aves please:
The number of people who can create this:


Is higher than the number of people who can create this:

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Which in turn, is higher than the number of people who can create this:


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Re: Brawl #6 Suggestions & Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63844.msg1254341#msg1254341
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2016, 08:47:13 pm »
Maybe some of the artistic tasks aren't restricted to a painting, and you can use music/singing for it as well, or any other creative medium? After all, music is an art as well.
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Re: Brawl #6 Suggestions & Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63844.msg1254342#msg1254342
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2016, 08:50:50 pm »
Maybe some of the artistic tasks aren't restricted to a painting, and you can use music/singing for it as well, or any other creative medium? After all, music is an art as well.

This.
Tasks like "Produce a creative work about a little man who lives in a castle" would cater to people's strengths, not shackle them to their weaknesses.
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Re: Brawl #6 Suggestions & Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63844.msg1254343#msg1254343
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2016, 08:55:52 pm »
That is a bandwagon I can jump on. When you say "there will be no musical tasks" it sounds like you are prohibiting that form of creative expression. But if we go with that proposed route, then we can also say "there are no writing tasks, there are no art tasks," etc-- but rather than as a limiting factor, it just means that the restriction isn't there.
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Re: Brawl #6 Suggestions & Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63844.msg1254345#msg1254345
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2016, 08:56:42 pm »
Yeah, I'm fine with that too.

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Re: Brawl #6 Suggestions & Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63844.msg1254347#msg1254347
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2016, 09:07:36 pm »
Maybe some of the artistic tasks aren't restricted to a painting, and you can use music/singing for it as well, or any other creative medium? After all, music is an art as well.

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Tasks like "Produce a creative work about a little man who lives in a castle" would cater to people's strengths, not shackle them to their weaknesses.

Yeah, that would be perfect, as opposed to it potentially being "Produce a tapestry that would be in the little man's castle" or "Produce a narrative about what happens when the little man's castle is besieged by monsters."

I understand that musical tasks are only satisfactorily accomplished by very few, and those very few must have plenty of experience beforehand, but why not have open challenges like this? I'll bet that any task that calls for a specific medium could be generalized in the fashion JCJ showed above.
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Re: Brawl #6 Suggestions & Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63844.msg1254348#msg1254348
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2016, 09:10:58 pm »
While it is unlikely that we change Brawl tasks for this Brawl at this point, it's not impossible, and we will take a second look at our tasks with the feedback given here in mind.
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