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Brawl #6 Planned Changes https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63357.msg1248881#msg1248881
« on: October 14, 2016, 11:28:55 am »
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Here we're going to write down some of the currently planned changes in Brawl, that will be in place for Brawl #6. Note that these changes are not yet finalized, and you are more than welcome to question the changes and make other suggestions.

1. Reworked Voting System
No longer will teams be able to vote. Instead only non-participants will be allowed to vote. To ensure that some minimum of votes are gotten, there will be a "Voting Panel" which non-participants can sign up to. People not on the voting panel can still vote of course, the only difference is that the voting panel basically *have to* vote each round.

2. Dynamic Roles
Instead of each player having a specific role during the whole event, it will be up to the Boss to delegate each task to one (or more) members during a round. The tasks themselves will still be themed like the roles of the previous Brawls. Of course, the Boss could if he wanted still give all of one type of task to the same person, emulating the previous system. We believe this won't really be that big of a change, since already in previous brawls there have been occasions where a task is done by someone from another role. In applications you should still (but it's not stricly neccessary) list all the tasks you will be comfortable with doing.

3. Combo Tasks
This would replace the duo/trio/more-tasks that existed in previoud Brawls (i.e. a task where several roles work together). They are essentially the same, except that now each individual role-part would be voted for individually.

4. Removal of Wagers
Wagers have been mostly underused in previous brawls, and while the point of these is to make it easier for teams to make comebacks, or to beat the lead team, we feel like this is mostly already handled by the way later rounds give much more points than earlier rounds. Since in theory the best team wins a wager, it's also a bit like a "win-more" thing, which is pretty bad. Therefore we have decided to remove Wagers from the rules. Challenges however will stay, since they provide something more unique to the table, and the challenger has much more freedom in how to gain extra points compared to wagers.

5. Removal of Event Cards
They haven't been used a lot, and we don't feel they add too much to Brawl. They don't seem to be worth the effort to design.

6. Removing a Round
This brawl is planned to be only 5 rounds instead of 6. This is due to the usual losing of interest near the end of Brawl, so we feel that this will make players more likely to stay motivated throughout the whole event.


List might be updated as more changes are decided upon.
Don't hesitate to leave comments on the planned changes. We're making the event for you, so if you guys think the changes looks weird or bad, just tell us. Of course, if there is anything we should clarify, tell us that too!
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Re: Brawl#6 Planned Changes https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63357.msg1248945#msg1248945
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2016, 11:02:37 am »
While the removal of Wagers makes perfect sense, I am not sure I am ready to see them go... not yet. :(
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Re: Brawl#6 Planned Changes https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63357.msg1248949#msg1248949
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2016, 12:49:24 pm »
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Re: Brawl #6 Planned Changes https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63357.msg1248979#msg1248979
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2016, 06:44:27 pm »
I get it, though a bit sad to see wagers go.
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Re: Brawl #6 Planned Changes https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63357.msg1248981#msg1248981
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2016, 06:55:32 pm »
Is there any definition of how the Voting Panel will be chosen?
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Re: Brawl #6 Planned Changes https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63357.msg1248983#msg1248983
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2016, 06:59:27 pm »
No, since they're really just normal voters that will vote every round, anyone can be on the panel. (except if you are joining Brawl of course)
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Re: Brawl #6 Planned Changes https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63357.msg1248984#msg1248984
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2016, 07:03:53 pm »
I get it, though a bit sad to see wagers go.
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Re: Brawl #6 Planned Changes https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63357.msg1248987#msg1248987
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2016, 07:10:10 pm »
I do have a couple of questions about expert panel, mostly devil's advocate so the answers are public:
A) Is there not a chance that the existence of expert panel will take some valuable apps from the main event?
B) How will the potential for bias be addressed? People like people, can be hard to separate your enjoyment of a person with the enjoyment of their work.
C) Similarly, as brawl progresses, we may find that certain senses of humor resonate more with the panel. Fewer voters mean it's easier to target the things which the 'important' people like, possibly sacrificing creative diversity.

Again, pretty much just devil's advocate, but I'd like to hear the answers :)
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Re: Brawl #6 Planned Changes https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63357.msg1248989#msg1248989
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2016, 07:19:25 pm »
A) I would expect only people that had not planned to sign up for brawl to sign up for panel. And if it would take some players from Brawl, that would be unfortunate, but if that is a price we have to pay for a more fair voting system, then so be it.

B) Well bias is impossible to avoid completely, but most likely all voters will have to state reasons fro their votes (like in previous Brawl), and actions might be taken if there is someonei obviously biased (but that can be very hard to show). With the removal of team voint I believe that bias should be less than previous brawls, so I don't really think this is a problem.

C) This is indeed true, but it's a risk I will accept. And even if it does happen, it's not neccessairly bad, just different.
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2016, 07:21:19 pm »
A) I would expect only people that had not planned to sign up for brawl to sign up for panel. And if it would take some players from Brawl, that would be unfortunate, but if that is a price we have to pay for a more fair voting system, then so be it.

B) Well bias is impossible to avoid completely, but most likely all voters will have to state reasons fro their votes (like in previous Brawl), and actions might be taken if there is someonei obviously biased (but that can be very hard to show). With the removal of team voint I believe that bias should be less than previous brawls, so I don't really think this is a problem.

C) This is indeed true, but it's a risk I will accept. And even if it does happen, it's not neccessairly bad, just different.

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Re: Brawl #6 Planned Changes https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63357.msg1251582#msg1251582
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2016, 07:46:07 pm »
Two more things have been added in the list: removal of event cards and removal of a round. These changes are even less set in stone than the other changes, so if we get enough feedback there is a very large chance that we will go back on our changes here!

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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2016, 08:18:53 pm »
removal of a round: perfect sense

removal of ECs: why? :(
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