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Re: Forum Brawl #5 - Round 3 - Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61512.msg1227652#msg1227652
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2016, 08:35:30 pm »
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I understand one can be indecisive between 2 submissions you see as similar in quality. Next time I suggest the following instead:
Make a list of the good things about each. If you are still indecisive and want to use RNG, use those lists to determine your die size (A 4 length list and a 3 length list would result in a 1d7).


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I think I can easily abuse it: Only play 1-2 cards(1-2 time factories) in the first 5-3 turns, then play this to reshuffle all their pillars(and anything they played with the quanta they gained so far). Then play your remaining opening hand pillars. However triple check my evaluation of this one, this kind of effect messes with my intuitions.

Note that that is a trick that would only work once since after the first time, your opponent would start holding a few things back.  Also note that if you are employing that strategy, you are passing up the opportunity to damage the opponent while they damage you.  One last note: Your quanta is reset, your opponent's is not, so they come out at an advantage for getting cards out faster.  Now you might be able to pull off some interesting things by playing this, then playing towers to power out a creature at an empty field, but that takes a lot of effort.  So yes, with the right setup this card can be pretty strong, and that's the point.
You are underestimating the power of putting all your opponent's quanta sources (besides their mark), and everything they spent quanta on so far back in their deck. Sure they have some quanta left. However they just had their turn so they are unlikely to have much excess & the game is still early so you can tank the early damage.

Would people start holding back when they saw an opening 1-2 Time Factory play? If they went first then they either already messed up by playing their pillars or they yielded the 1st turn advantage to whatever deck they are facing. Even worse, if they are facing a stall time deck, the stall time deck can do the 1-2 Time Factory play to earn 3-5 free turns of stalling. So unless this single card dominates a large number of the PvP decks, the only counterplay to it is overall harmful to the person using the counterplay.

The submission is creative, but early game destruction(via shuffling back into the deck) of all the opponent's quanta sources was something that made the balancing that much harder.

I agree it's a strong card, but you can't just toss it into any deck and get the full use out of it.  In a typical positive result on playing it, you'll end up with a few towers and a decent creature against an opponents empty field but having quanta and whatever they have in their hand.  At the cost it is, I'm pretty sure it's balanced.

I could toss it in nearly any mono time deck (all it takes is an opening hand with 2 pillars|1 tower and drawing this card and 2 more pillars between the opening hand and turn 5|4). Any mono time deck can do that.

Honestly I would still consider playing it at the weaker opportunity(playing it mid game when losing after not playing cards for a couple turns and having a pillar in hand)
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Re: Forum Brawl #5 - Round 3 - Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61512.msg1227683#msg1227683
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2016, 12:33:19 am »
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I understand one can be indecisive between 2 submissions you see as similar in quality. Next time I suggest the following instead:
Make a list of the good things about each. If you are still indecisive and want to use RNG, use those lists to determine your die size (A 4 length list and a 3 length list would result in a 1d7).
Works if each pro and (/maybe or) con are weighed equally or can find a zero pair with an opposing pro/con.
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Re: Forum Brawl #5 - Round 3 - Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61512.msg1227686#msg1227686
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2016, 01:39:05 am »
everyone can vote, right?

Community VoteRound 3by Manuel
BossLeague of Shadows: love the idea of a 0 cost that does something based on the quanta consumedThe Chaosomes: ... i simply like it?
Artist/FEThe Chaosomes:That landscape seem a power/epic metal album cover and the old art used for lands in magic the gatheringGaia's Pride: It's like a 1998 internet site, really vaporwave
CD/WriterLeague of Shadows: Reminds me the style of Lovecraft, and i love LovecraftFiery-Hot Mixtape: i am forced to give at least one vote to a team called fiery-hot mixtape
DBLeague of Shadows: I really like the double denial matched with sop and dollsAbyss Brawlers: thanks to that deck, now i know that upped tower shield cost is 5  :rainbow
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Re: Forum Brawl #5 - Round 3 - Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61512.msg1227717#msg1227717
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2016, 09:34:58 am »
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Re: Forum Brawl #5 - Round 3 - Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61512.msg1227754#msg1227754
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2016, 10:58:13 pm »
Community VoteRound 3by worldwideweb3
BossTodally Newtral***
Artist/FEAbyss BrawlerThe Chaosomes
CD/Writer******
DBFiery-Hot MixtapeTodally Newtral
Challenge 1***

Artist: I liked toad's idea, but execution wasn't as good, was a close one. Rest of the votes to come later.
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Re: Forum Brawl #5 - Round 3 - Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61512.msg1227761#msg1227761
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2016, 02:54:16 am »
Community VoteRound 3by Basman-1453
BossGaia's Pride
(The least flashy of them all, and probably the
least likely to be notably imbalanced XD)
League of Shadows
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against them in my book)
CD/WriterA Toadally Newtral Team
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using for the lore! XD)
The Chaosomes
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Gaia's Pride
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Re: Forum Brawl #5 - Round 3 - Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61512.msg1227767#msg1227767
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2016, 04:47:14 am »
Team VoteRound 3by Khaleesi
BossLeague of Shadows <3Abyss Brawlers: Sounds creative enough :)
Artist/FELeague of Shadows <3Fiery-Hot Mixtape: Looks appealing, idk. I like it. If it had been digitalized I'm sure it'd look much better though.
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Re: Forum Brawl #5 - Round 3 - Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61512.msg1227769#msg1227769
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2016, 04:59:33 am »
I wonder what alphabet they're using for the lore!

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Re: Forum Brawl #5 - Round 3 - Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61512.msg1227865#msg1227865
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2016, 06:13:06 pm »
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Re: Forum Brawl #5 - Round 3 - Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61512.msg1227887#msg1227887
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2016, 11:23:36 pm »
@chaosomes, for boss task, it says "rewind all cards". Could you elaborate on that? every card on field, including permanants?
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Re: Forum Brawl #5 - Round 3 - Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61512.msg1227889#msg1227889
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2016, 11:43:54 pm »
@chaosomes, for boss task, it says "rewind all cards". Could you elaborate on that? every card on field, including permanants?
Yep, including permanents and even pillars.
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Re: Forum Brawl #5 - Round 3 - Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61512.msg1227892#msg1227892
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2016, 11:56:22 pm »
What order do the get rewound in? If it is by slot then would all pillars be in a stack somewhere?
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