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Re: Brawl #5 Bosses Announced and Auction is Open https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60987.msg1220946#msg1220946
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Re: Brawl #5 Bosses Announced and Auction is Open https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60987.msg1220969#msg1220969
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2016, 05:19:54 am »
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Re: Brawl #5 Bosses Announced and Auction is Open https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60987.msg1220997#msg1220997
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2016, 05:28:37 pm »
All of the Boss' teams have been named! The OP has been updated to make things easier to see.

Applicants - remember to pick up to three teams as your favourites in your application! (if you want to)
Bosses - if you bid on a player, and if you win that player, and if that player has your team in their favourites, the points you spent to buy them are refunded! one point is refunded!

9.5 days (at time of posting) until the application phase ends, so if you're interested in joining Brawl #5 now's the time to say so

EDIT: One point, not all points.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2016, 06:56:48 pm by CleanOnion »

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Re: Brawl #5 Bosses Announced and Auction is Open https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60987.msg1220998#msg1220998
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2016, 05:38:40 pm »
All of the Boss' teams have been named! The OP has been updated to make things easier to see.

Applicants - remember to pick up to three teams as your favourites in your application! (if you want to)
Bosses - if you bid on a player, and if you win that player, and if that player has your team in their favourites, the points you spent to buy them are refunded!

9.5 days (at time of posting) until the application phase ends, so if you're interested in joining Brawl #5 now's the time to say so!

so there's absolutely no draw back to bidding high? makes no sense to me.
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Re: Brawl #5 Bosses Announced and Auction is Open https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60987.msg1221001#msg1221001
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2016, 06:35:06 pm »
A) You might want to bid on a player who doesn't have you in their favourites.
B) Points are refunded after bidding has ended. During bidding, you still only have 42 points to spread between (ideally) 5 players. So you might run out of points and be unable to bid on anyone else, even if those points will be refunded later.

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Re: Brawl #5 Bosses Announced and Auction is Open https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60987.msg1221002#msg1221002
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2016, 06:41:40 pm »
I'm still not seeing the drawback of bidding high.
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Re: Brawl #5 Bosses Announced and Auction is Open https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60987.msg1221003#msg1221003
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2016, 06:42:54 pm »
WHAT?
ALL points are refunded?
That is a decision I STRONGLY disagree with. I didn't even think there should be favourites at all in brawl, but I was going to wait until after auction, now I must speak:

a) Favourites make sense in War, where players are limited by their affinity to an ELEMENT and their card pool. Brawl has neither of these. This leads me to..
b) Favourites in Brawl, are simply a popularity contest, and mean the well known and skillful bosses get further bonuses by more players favouriting them.
c) What if nobody favourites you? you are put at a massive disadvantage for no reason, not simply because of points, but also because players will choose to join favourited teams if you bid the maximum and are matched. I am lucky that a fair amount of player have put me as a favourite, but other bosses are not so lucky.

Having ONE point refunded was bad enough. Having ALL points refunded is absolute insanity, and will create a very bad feeling for a lot of bosses.

Like I said, I was going to put in SAF to remove favouriting for future brawls, but was going to wait until this one's conclusion.

EDIT: a much better system would be to disallow a 'draw' with bidding. Have no favourites, and bosses can bid as high as they want, up to a maximum of 42 points for their whole team. This means favouritism and popularity contest aspects can be mitigated.
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Re: Brawl #5 Bosses Announced and Auction is Open https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60987.msg1221004#msg1221004
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2016, 06:45:13 pm »
Just have the favored teams have priority in bidding in the case of a tie and call it a day.

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Re: Brawl #5 Bosses Announced and Auction is Open https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60987.msg1221005#msg1221005
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2016, 06:51:26 pm »
I think the 1 point refund was good. But all, is way too much.
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Re: Brawl #5 Bosses Announced and Auction is Open https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60987.msg1221006#msg1221006
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2016, 06:53:00 pm »
Not to mention a full refund takes a lot of the incentive of bidding on someone who didn't added you as a favorite. Which is a serious problem if you consider that bosses talk with players by PM and players are allowed to put just one favorite.
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Re: Brawl #5 Bosses Announced and Auction is Open https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60987.msg1221007#msg1221007
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2016, 06:56:07 pm »
I've misread the rules. It is indeed a one point refund.

Nothing has changed from the previous Brawl. I apologise for this error.

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Re: Brawl #5 Bosses Announced and Auction is Open https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60987.msg1221013#msg1221013
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2016, 07:57:19 pm »
It's okay guys, I took Onion's left eye in penance for his mistake. Sorry the confusion was around for so long.
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