Post by: Zso_Zso on April 30, 2012, 02:54:58 pm
The SoSa isn't strictly necessary, could be replaced, but it can give some much needed healing to buy time for the win.
Fat version:
The decks are based on the combo: Deja-Vu + quintessence + Shard of Wisdom = 2x6 spell damage untargetable creatures at the cost of (2 :time + 3 :aether + 1 :rainbow) = 6 total quanta.
So you get 12 spell damage for 6 quanta and they are immune to CC. Pretty good deal IMHO. Plus with the SoFr it could be even 18 damage.
Strategy tips:
1. hold back playing SoFr until your damage is out on the field and can afford it
2. do not play DejaVu if you can't quint it right away
3. if you have more SoW in the hand than Vu, you may play multiple on a single Vu before splitting
A little bit of statistics. I ran the game simulator by Xenocidius on the fat version 1000x versus FGs, and this is what I got:
Player
Wins: 357
Winrate: 35.7 %
Average TTW: 19.34
EMs: 24
EM rate: 6.72 %
Computer
Wins: 643
Winrate: 64.3 %
Average TTW: 14.5
EMs: 346
EM rate: 53.81 %
Post by: Chapuz on April 30, 2012, 03:02:27 pm
Post by: Zso_Zso on April 30, 2012, 03:05:54 pm
I know it's a trio, but deja+momentum+adrenaline gives 24 damage for 6 quanta too :P
True, but those are still easy to CC, even mass-CC, in addition to the harder quanta balance.
Post by: Chapuz on April 30, 2012, 03:10:54 pm
Yep, true. This deck seems awsome.I know it's a trio, but deja+momentum+adrenaline gives 24 damage for 6 quanta too :PTrue, but those are still easy to CC, even mass-CC, in addition to the harder quanta balance.
Post by: valiance on April 30, 2012, 03:22:31 pm
Post by: Ge0metry v1.2 on April 30, 2012, 03:29:23 pm
Post by: Dhanzig on June 03, 2012, 05:37:34 pm
I played up to 6 Quints but you rarely need more than 2 and the precogs find them easily. I had a SoFr but it never proc'd so I took it out ... it seem like a much longer game plan to go that way anyway ;)
The quanta is 90% reliable ... but I would like to upgrade 2 more aether pends to replace the time tower/Pend
Post by: TheAccuso on June 03, 2012, 06:35:02 pm
I've been playing around with a similar deck in PVP2. I get turn 5 - 7 wins unless the draw is really terrible. The worst matchup by FAR is mono fire rush ... any suggestions?nicey
I played up to 6 Quints but you rarely need more than 2 and the precogs find them easily. I had a SoFr but it never proc'd so I took it out ... it seem like a much longer game plan to go that way anyway ;)
The quanta is 90% reliable ... but I would like to upgrade 2 more aether pends to replace the time tower/Pend
Post by: Rutarete on June 03, 2012, 06:48:03 pm
Post by: furballdn on June 03, 2012, 08:14:24 pm
Post by: Drake_XIV on June 03, 2012, 09:31:55 pm
Post by: Dhanzig on June 03, 2012, 10:00:00 pm
I really like the idea. SoFre gets rid of SoW's reflective weakness and now you have a swarm of little... things... that simply cannot be touched. Except for Flooding, but who uses that?
Oh yeah ... good call Drake! I just auto folded when I saw thase shields lol
I'll have to try the original
AS for my deck I upped the 2 aether pends but exchanged them for 2 novas and I'm lovin it!
Post by: artmann1 on August 03, 2012, 04:33:58 am
Post by: Annele on August 03, 2012, 05:07:04 am
I really like the idea. SoFre gets rid of SoW's reflective weakness and now you have a swarm of little... things... that simply cannot be touched. Except for Flooding, but who uses that?
Flooding does not kill untargetable creatures.
Post by: Dhanzig on August 07, 2012, 03:16:56 pm
The base deck had 3 card slots that I've tried EVERYTHING in ... precog - Hourglass - 6th Quint - Lobo / Discord / shields .... eventually I whittled away at my card collection until the 3 I settled on were Chaos Power, Fog Shield and Shard of Patience. CP is another 1 cost buff and with all those novas it's usually a decent draw. Fog Shield is a no brainer ... SoP is the most situational but opening hand it's nice as well as VS SoSaC and sometimes reflect shields.
The one MAJOR failing of this deck is that either quint or deja is buried a LOT .... SoW draws fine and 2 of the 3 extra cards I've discussed seem to show up every game! Elements needs a deck searching card or some form of deck manipulation BADLY!! However, I can't imagine how it would be implemented so that play doesn't CRAWL ...
Anyway, I hope someone will appreciate this version and maybe offer some feedback!
EDIT: I replaced the SoP with a Long Sword ... and I'm VERY happy with it!
Post by: Phoenix on August 07, 2012, 11:43:35 pm
Post by: furballdn on August 07, 2012, 11:44:36 pm
well,one jade shield and you cant make any damage,and spell reflecting shields block most damgeEvery deck has its counter.
Post by: Phoenix on August 08, 2012, 04:35:35 pm
true just pointed itwell,one jade shield and you cant make any damage,and spell reflecting shields block most damgeEvery deck has its counter.
Post by: Hiddje123 on August 08, 2012, 09:56:42 pm
Post by: Atom_heart on August 08, 2012, 10:18:19 pm
Post by: blarp on August 08, 2012, 10:26:59 pm
other than that looks fun
Post by: Dhanzig on August 10, 2012, 05:57:35 pm
Post by: BumbleSting on August 10, 2012, 06:37:18 pm
so im trying to run this deck unupped and dosent seem to work as well any ideas
No deck will work just as well unupped as upped. This deck looks very fun to play, a good use of the deja-vu mechanic.
Post by: presspl4y on December 10, 2012, 09:10:10 pm
I made this deck for PvP2 not having seen this thread or heard of anything similar. This version works great in PvP2 (I just finished a run of W:24/L:1 only losing to a guy who put up a jade shield), but I can't speak for how it would do in Arena.
After reviewing this thread here are some opinions:
- The 6 Deja/Quint other decks use is too much. 5 encourages one in opening hand or early on, and discourages too many in opening hand or late game. Could even drop to 4 Quint if you're feeling lucky.
- Speed is one of the deck's biggest strengths. Adding more speed with Precog makes it even stronger. Plus, knowing if you will be facing SoSac is always helpful.
I had not thought of using SoFre. I see it could get around reflective shields, but SoFre is a % chance, and the chance is too low without 3 or more in play. In today's PC heavy environment, including 3+ permanents in your deck to counter something you almost never see isn't worth it. If reflective shields start getting more popular than this will make more sense.Don't use SoFre.- The deck's combo is super fast, consistent, uses low quanta, and ignores most shields leaving rushes as your other biggest threat. SoSac seems your best defense as it is very strong against rushes, requires no quanta to play, it's strongest counter (purify) is not frequently found in other rush decks, and you usually don't have to worry about the quanta wipe as almost no quanta is required late game.
- It may be possible to use Thunderbolt instead of SoSac as defense against rushes.
- Having no same-turn, instant, time quanta is a weakness. Nova or Time Tower remedy this, but (so far) I feel SoSac or Precog is generally more helpful.
- If you are having trouble bursting a SoSac using opponent from a safe-ish 70-80 HP to below 40 HP in one turn, Silence could be a helpful card to sub into your deck.
- Don't use this deck as your Arena deck. The AI makes some really, really stupid decisions when playing with these cards. While mirror match testing with this as my arena deck I saw the AI split a 1/1 Quint-ed Deja-Vu, then on the next turn play two SoWis on the first split Deja Vu, followed immediately by playing another Deja Vu. I cast Precog and he had a quint in his hand.
Post by: Tirear on December 10, 2012, 09:33:56 pm
SoFre does not let you bypass reflective shields. Momentum does not let you bypass reflective shields. If you want to bypass reflective shields, you have to stop dealing spell damage. With psions, you can lobotomize them. With SoW, you can use divine shield or burrow to remove wisdom status. Either way, you would need to be using a different creature.
- I had not thought of using SoFre. I see it could get around reflective shields, but SoFre is a % chance, and the chance is too low without 3 or more in play. In today's PC heavy environment, including 3+ permanents in your deck to counter something you almost never see isn't worth it. If reflective shields start getting more popular than this will make more sense.
Post by: presspl4y on December 10, 2012, 10:09:45 pm
SoFre does not let you bypass reflective shields. Momentum does not let you bypass reflective shields. If you want to bypass reflective shields, you have to stop dealing spell damage. With psions, you can lobotomize them. With SoW, you can use divine shield or burrow to remove wisdom status. Either way, you would need to be using a different creature.
Thanks for pointing that out. I thought I read in someone's post that the reason they included the SoFre was to bypass shields. Maybe I am imagining things, or I'm wrong, or they're wrong, or the mechanics changed. Either way it looks like it shouldn't be in there anyway. I'll edit my post.
Post by: Afdarenty on December 29, 2012, 02:28:38 am
Basically the same with some rewind, adds a lot of protection against rush decks.