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Patient Vampies [SoP][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42471.msg528908#msg528908
« on: August 04, 2012, 05:05:14 pm »
I saw Free Vampires,i said why not with SoP ?
This way,you can OTK or make a TTK if you find damage enough. But in this way,with hot vampies,they suck while attacking. This way,you heal and EM while OTKing or TTKing.
Vamp daggers and dusks are for stalling until you can OTK or TTK.
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« Last Edit: August 04, 2012, 05:07:02 pm by Luminous »
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Re: Patient Vampies [SoP][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42471.msg528911#msg528911
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2012, 05:09:13 pm »
If the vampires can't suck, they suck.
Really.

The best thing about vampires/vamp dagger is that it heals you while dealing damage, essentially neutralising the incoming damage. Take an example:
You have 2 Vampires (upped),
You opponent as a Seraph (upped)
The, you are essentially taking 12-8=4 damage every turn.

But... stalling them make no sense to me. EM? Not that important in pvp, and for arena, survival is much more important, as opponents has a head-start with more quanta, more cards, and more hp.
A vampire-heavy monodark would have done as well if not better. Really, eclipses are more practical.
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Re: Patient Vampies [SoP][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42471.msg528926#msg528926
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2012, 05:45:47 pm »
If the vampires can't suck, they suck.
Really.

The best thing about vampires/vamp dagger is that it heals you while dealing damage, essentially neutralising the incoming damage. Take an example:
You have 2 Vampires (upped),
You opponent as a Seraph (upped)
The, you are essentially taking 12-8=4 damage every turn.

But... stalling them make no sense to me. EM? Not that important in pvp, and for arena, survival is much more important, as opponents has a head-start with more quanta, more cards, and more hp.
A vampire-heavy monodark would have done as well if not better. Really, eclipses are more practical.
It's POSSIBLE OTK. I don't suggest you stall till the end thing,either. You have 5 SoP. Stall. Destroy. Suck. Stall. Destroy. Suck. Combo is that. Making vampies much more powerful than eclipse or cp does. Of course they are faster,but SoP worths it. So,keep 2 SoP in hand. Play one. When things starts to look big,destroy SoP,suck'em all! Or,attack once in that time. Return to max HP,turn tide of battle,take another SoP and do same thing again till opponents get killed.
Basically,
Stall and SoP until you have about 30-40ish HP left,then destroy SoP,attack and suck,out-heal whole damage and in the other turn,kill !
« Last Edit: August 04, 2012, 05:58:31 pm by Luminous »
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Re: Patient Vampies [SoP][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42471.msg529105#msg529105
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2012, 03:10:28 am »
The whole point of vampire is to heal you as the battle goes along. Using them for SoP OTK is a bad idea as there are much better cards to SoP OTK with.

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Re: Patient Vampies [SoP][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42471.msg529279#msg529279
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2012, 02:13:20 pm »
The whole point of vampire is to heal you as the battle goes along. Using them for SoP OTK is a bad idea as there are much better cards to SoP OTK with.
I agree the last part. But,you misunderstand. It's not for OTKing. I just said it's possible.
It's like sundial.
You play vampies with one SoP. You wait and stall with artifacts until you are at 30ish HPs. Then,you destroy SoP and see possible 15/3 Vampie ! Then you attack and return the tide of battle,then you EM.
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Re: Patient Vampies [SoP][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42471.msg529287#msg529287
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2012, 02:45:18 pm »
The only bad thing I see in this deck is the stall. You WILL get outrushed before you get a decent damage, so you will need to take out the SoP to survive a bit more, but I don't think you will get enough healing to keep attacking till the end of the game. You know, upped games are pretty fast.
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Re: Patient Vampies [SoP][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42471.msg529308#msg529308
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2012, 04:32:17 pm »
The only bad thing I see in this deck is the stall. You WILL get outrushed before you get a decent damage, so you will need to take out the SoP to survive a bit more, but I don't think you will get enough healing to keep attacking till the end of the game. You know, upped games are pretty fast.
I realized that just after i posted. I am working on stalling more,but,actually,it's kinda enough with a dusk and dagger. Even,if it's not,i will update. Thanks for your recommendation.
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Re: Patient Vampies [SoP][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42471.msg529345#msg529345
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2012, 07:45:08 pm »
The whole point of vampire is to heal you as the battle goes along. Using them for SoP OTK is a bad idea as there are much better cards to SoP OTK with.
I agree the last part. But,you misunderstand. It's not for OTKing. I just said it's possible.
It's like sundial.
You play vampies with one SoP. You wait and stall with artifacts until you are at 30ish HPs. Then,you destroy SoP and see possible 15/3 Vampie ! Then you attack and return the tide of battle,then you EM.
You want 15|3 vampires? You'll need to wait 11 turns. In those 8 turns, you could've healed and done 44 damage per vampire. Also, upped games usually take less than 11 turns, so you won't even be able to wait that long unless you're using a stall. Not to mention those vampires with 3hp are fragile.

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Re: Patient Vampies [SoP][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42471.msg529353#msg529353
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2012, 08:03:34 pm »
The whole point of vampire is to heal you as the battle goes along. Using them for SoP OTK is a bad idea as there are much better cards to SoP OTK with.
I agree the last part. But,you misunderstand. It's not for OTKing. I just said it's possible.
It's like sundial.
You play vampies with one SoP. You wait and stall with artifacts until you are at 30ish HPs. Then,you destroy SoP and see possible 15/3 Vampie ! Then you attack and return the tide of battle,then you EM.
You want 15|3 vampires? You'll need to wait 11 turns. In those 8 turns, you could've healed and done 44 damage per vampire. Also, upped games usually take less than 11 turns, so you won't even be able to wait that long unless you're using a stall. Not to mention those vampires with 3hp are fragile.
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Either way,i just told 15/3 for nothing.
You may be right.
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Re: Patient Vampies [SoP][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42471.msg529357#msg529357
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2012, 08:10:13 pm »
15|3 for not attacking for 11 turns. Let's see how many games you can not attack for 11 turns and still win.

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Re: Patient Vampies [SoP][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42471.msg529600#msg529600
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2012, 06:46:22 am »
15|3 for not attacking for 11 turns. Let's see how many games you can not attack for 11 turns and still win.
That was an example. Stop saying that. Lol troll ^^
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Re: Patient Vampies [SoP][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42471.msg529605#msg529605
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2012, 06:54:52 am »
I'm a bit confused as to the actual purpose of the SoP. The gain of +1 attack per turn vs. just letting them attack for their base damage? Under what circumstances is it beneficial to just leave them exposed to CC, SLOWLY gaining attack damage that in no way compensates for the loss of damage/healing?

 

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