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Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408193#msg408193
« on: October 11, 2011, 09:12:55 PM »
A modification of Chapuz's Mito-Dragon FG OTK which was in turn inspired by loadquo here.  Name by Jenkar

"Back in the ancient silurian age of the the 2 turn sundial, great dragons roamed. using innovative shard technology, the specimen of a single dragon, and a decendant of the 2 turn sundial (the 1 turn sundial), elementalists were able to create another equally overpowered deck"

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Upgrade Order
Dragon, SN are absolutely required. The rest of the upgrade order should be

Hourglasses --> Time towers --> Skyblitz -->Shards of Readiness--> Mitosis --> Chimera --> Sundial


Combos
    -Option 1: Silurian Dragon --> Mitosis --> SoR --> SoR --> SoR --> SoR  --> SkyBlitz  --> ~Chimera

            Optimal method: Pros: Does not need Chimera against any DR shield Cons: Chance to eat your quanta for Sky Blitz

    -Option 2: Silurian Dragon --> Mitosis --> SoR --> SoR --> SoR  --> SkyBlitz --> SoR  --> ~Chimera

            Quanta scarce method: Pros: Less of a chance to eat your Sky Blitz quanta  Cons: Needs Chimera against any DR shield

~=optional
*Liquid Shadow no longer gives EM's as of 1.293

Spoiler for Play Tips:
- You can discard Chimera if your opponent doesnt have Bonewall, haxx, or dissipation shield, or gravity pulled Armagio or Chimera essentially making it a 7 card combo
- you can start chaining sundials as soon as you have 1 hourglass out and isnt in danger of PC
- draw out explosions, steals with sundials and towers
- against gods with no CC, you can play the combo early and sky blitz when you get enough damage
- Decay, Darkmatter, and Dream Catcher are pretty much autoquits but the rest should have a decent chance
-TTW should be around 9-10 if not you are doing something wrong

Spoiler for God by God Breakdown:
Akebono - Easy - Need Chimera - Start Sundial chain above 50 HP because of Titan. an early SoF is probably game over.

Chaos Lord - Hard - Need Chimera - For some reason I also face a mutant with steal/destroy. Draw out PC before sundial is played

Dark Matter - Impossible - Well 2 BH's and you cant win.

Decay - Hard - Get SN off fast and hope he doesnt drain too much.

Destiny - Easy - No Chimera - you can wait to chain Sundials ~25 because Eternity does 4 damage a turn

Divine Glory - Medium - No Chimera - Hope there are no fire towers, draw out PC with sundials or extra hourglasses. Tip: with explosion nerf 1 tower fuels explosion every 2 turns so plan accordingly

Dream Catcher - Hard - No Chimera - Devourers drain quanta, discord messes with quanta, BE destroys all stalling. If you can get off first SN you might have a chance.

Elidnis - Easy - No Chimera - No PC, Chain sundials around ~30 HP

Eternal Phoenix - Medium - No Chimera - If you draw out PC, you will do fine. Chain around ~50 HP because of fire lances and lightning

Ferox - Easy - No Chimera - Chain sundials around ~30 HP

Fire Queen - Easy - No Chimera - Chain sundials around ~50 HP because of lances and 7 attack weapon

Gemini - Easy - No Chimera - Chain sundials around ~30 HP

Graviton - Easy - Chimera needed if gravity pulled armagio - Only 4 explosion in 70 cards test with sundial before spamming hourglasses

Hecate - Medium - Chimera Needed - Damage from Rage Pots, Liquid Shadow, Weapon, and Nightmare, with 4 steals. Chain sundials around ~60 HP

Hermes - Medium - No Chimera - 12 explosions 12 lances nuff said Chain Sundials ~60HP

Incarnate - Easy - Chimera Needed - Chain sundials around ~30 HP

Jezebel - Medium - No Chimera - Steals keep sundial stasis, but Siphon Life, Gravity and Air Nymphs are dangerous. The more towers stolen, the less likely you see those nymphs

Lionheart - Easy - No Chimera - Chain sundials around ~30 HP. Watch out for mass endowment or creature spam from hourglasses

Miracle - Easy - No Chimera - Chain sundials around ~30 HP.
 
Morte - Easy - Chimera Needed - Chain sundials around ~70 HP. Draw fast as poison is deadly.

Neptune - Easy - No Chimera - Chain sundials around ~50 HP. 7 attack weapon and 4 damage shockwaves are your only concern

Obliterator - Medium - No Chimera - Chain sundials around ~50 HP. Draw fast before Pulverizer appears. If it shows up play all sundials next turn to get whatever draws you can.

Octane - Hard - No Chimera - Chain sundials when first owls eye is flown. You can usually draw through the deck before Octane gets enough Unstable Gas.

Osiris - Easy - No Chimera - Chain sundials around ~60 HP. Start chain early because trebuchets do a bit of damage. SoF could be troublesome.

Paradox - Easy - No Chimera - Chain sundials around ~30 HP. If Morning Glory appears early, chain a little earlier.

Rainbow - Hard - No Chimera - Chain sundials When first hourglass is in play.

Scorpio - Medium - No Chimera - Chain sundials when 2 non Physalia creatures hit the field. Hope you can outdraw the poison damage

Seism - Easy - No Chimera - Chain sundials around ~30 HP. With so little pillars feel free to play multiple Time Towers in a stack. Be stingy with the time quanta. at most play 2 hourglasses. try to discard the other 2 unless you have sufficient quanta.

Serket - Medium - No Chimera - Chain sundials when you get around ~6 poison This one is decided in the first 2-3 turns, if you get an hourglass out early you win, if not you are in for some trouble.

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Some variations that give significant win % increases against certain gods.

Purify(Scorpio, Serket)
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Extra tower (Akebono, Gemini, Osiris)
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Protect Artifact (Seism, Jezebel)
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Phase Shield (Destiny, Ferox, Fire Queen, Elidnis, Lionheart, Miracle, Neptune, Paradox)
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7 Turn Win (Paradox)

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  deck     Instosis   
  players     Sevs   
  version    1.291 
  win-rate     67%   
  $ track ?    enabled 
  win-rate (n)     67.68%   
  games    200 
  Score/h     1147   
  win-loss-(EM)     134-66-(3)   
  Score/h (n)    1165   
  time (h:m:s)     07:46:55   
  FGei[c]*    10231   
  min/game     02:20   
  FGei[cn]*    10327   
      Statmasta™realtec                                                               

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   1800
   326
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   745
   -21600
   1787
   192
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   1738
   693
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   409
   1468
   1578
   1893
   1468
   855
   1688
   2096
   -175
   2009
   1747
   -61
   1309
   938
   1135
   16708
   4461
   -21600
   -21600
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   11092
   -21600
   10550
   5895
   11669
   12319
   13355
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   4810
   11609
   14490
   13021
   9932
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   12337
   13614
   4123
   15805
   12884
   2740
   8891
   8123
   10045
Akebono
Chaos Lord
Dark Matter
Decay
Destiny
Divine Glory
Dream Catcher
Elidnis
Eternal Phoenix
Ferox
Fire Queen
Gemini
Graviton
Hecate
Hermes
Incarnate
Jezebel
Lionheart
Miracle
Morte
Neptune
Obliterator
Octane
Osiris
Paradox
Rainbow
Scorpio
Seism
Serket
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Re: SN FG OTK http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408195#msg408195
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2011, 09:20:14 PM »
1st  :D

I'm not a fan of SN decks, but it's rate is awsome as it seems  :o

Isn't better having unupped dials, so the mulligan isn't screwed with them?
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Re: SN FG OTK (2.5 min game, 69% winrate) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408196#msg408196
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Ooh Hourglasses. Looks like a deck I can play. :)
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Re: SN FG OTK (2.5 min game, 69% winrate) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408216#msg408216
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Lost a bit in Trainer getting used to it, but having 8 26|4 Silurians on Ferox on turn 9 was a nice moment. I tend to get my hand clogged with HG's and struggling to get enough :time in time (heh), but 4 is nice for draw consistency. Might try 3.
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Re: SN FG OTK (2.5 min game, 69% winrate) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408256#msg408256
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Re: SN FG OTK (2.5 min game, 69% winrate) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408272#msg408272
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 11:52:29 PM »
This seems a lot better than my precog variant (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32122.0.html) against FGs without PC. I did the math and yeah extra SN are better than QTs for providing the air quanta. I wonder if it would be worthwhile having an air pillar in.

And Yay stats :)

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The dragon needs to be upped as do the SNs and the hourglasses.  Air pillar to protect against the more hungry SoRs.

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Re: SN FG OTK (2.5 min game, 69% winrate) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408337#msg408337
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2011, 01:38:36 AM »
Lost a bit in Trainer getting used to it, but having 8 26|4 Silurians on Ferox on turn 9 was a nice moment. I tend to get my hand clogged with HG's and struggling to get enough :time in time (heh), but 4 is nice for draw consistency. Might try 3.
Sometimes it feels like there are too many and i force a discard of one, but i like the fact that you can wait a few turns and spam 2 hourglasses and a sundial against PC gods. I would be interested to see how that 3 hourglass experiment will work out.

This seems a lot better than my precog variant (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32122.0.html) against FGs without PC. I did the math and yeah extra SN are better than QTs for providing the air quanta. I wonder if it would be worthwhile having an air pillar in.

And Yay stats :)

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The dragon needs to be upped as do the SNs and the hourglasses.  Air pillar to protect against the more hungry SoRs.

wow very similar deck and i guess you inspired the change in the limitless thread so credit is deserved.
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Re: SN FG OTK (2.5 min game, 69% winrate) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408340#msg408340
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2011, 01:45:59 AM »
Best FG deck I've played since the sundial nerf.

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Re: SN FG OTK (2.5 min game, 69% winrate) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408346#msg408346
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2011, 01:55:56 AM »
I think SoR may prove to be the new 2 turn Sundial, with all these crazy fast high W/L rate FG decks coming up...

Win rate is, obviously, not quite so high as 80% but having nearly 3x the speed makes up for it many times over.

I expect a nerf to Mitosis+SoR, as with triplet Dejas, triplet Dragons seems far too good.
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Re: SN FG OTK (2.5 min game, 69% winrate) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408348#msg408348
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2011, 01:56:26 AM »
This seems a lot better than my precog variant (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32122.0.html) against FGs without PC. I did the math and yeah extra SN are better than QTs for providing the air quanta. I wonder if it would be worthwhile having an air pillar in.

And Yay stats :)

Here is a minimally upped variant.

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The dragon needs to be upped as do the SNs and the hourglasses.  Air pillar to protect against the more hungry SoRs.
What's the stats of this one?

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Re: SN FG OTK (2.5 min game, 69% winrate) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408351#msg408351
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2011, 01:59:25 AM »
wow very similar deck and i guess you inspired the change in the limitless thread so credit is deserved.
Actually, it was a very talked combo in the beta sections before 1.29 came out. Max Fire suggested the 1st version i saw and i just put it in my thread.
This seems a lot better than my precog variant (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32122.0.html) against FGs without PC. I did the math and yeah extra SN are better than QTs for providing the air quanta. I wonder if it would be worthwhile having an air pillar in.

And Yay stats :)

Here is a minimally upped variant.

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4ta 4ta 4ta 4ta 560 5c9 5oc 5op 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q6 8pj


The dragon needs to be upped as do the SNs and the hourglasses.  Air pillar to protect against the more hungry SoRs.
What's the stats of this one?
I think not much, as you need 5/6 SN instear of 4. In this version, upped Chimera and Ske Blitz are quite important.
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Re: SN FG OTK (2.5 min game, 69% winrate) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg408427#msg408427
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2011, 04:03:51 AM »
This deck is excellent. I'm definitely enjoying it while it lasts.

 

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