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Re: Wish | Wish https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20492.msg260319#msg260319
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2011, 05:21:51 am »
I wouldn't necessarily call that shameless advertising...
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Re: Wish | Wish https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20492.msg260339#msg260339
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2011, 05:41:16 am »
we have decided that the miracle without the drain all light quantum makes this card 4|3
if you would like to see exactly how http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20498.new.html#new

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Re: Wish | Wish https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20492.msg267003#msg267003
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2011, 02:19:32 pm »
we have decided that the miracle without the drain all light quantum makes this card 4|3
if you would like to see exactly how http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20498.new.html#new
lol, after so much discussion... Moar discussion.

I agree it should cost 4|3. I mean, it's a mid game card (all the effects are good when you have 50 hp or so), and all the effects are benefical. What maybe makes some doubts is Holy light. You're having a 50%|40% of casting that, which isn't that good... But I guess it's balanced by the other effects (miracle without drain) and the fact that you could anyways have a healing card in your hand/the field that could save you if you don't get what you need. Remember Light/Life synergy.

BTW, the randomness stuff can be discussed in another thread, but the consequences and practic balance of the card belong here.

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Re: Wish | Wish https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20492.msg282187#msg282187
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2011, 03:15:30 am »
I don't mind the random effects, but when I saw this in the poll, I was confused and had to come here and look at the spoiler to make sense of the card... that's not good.

There should be some clue as to the random effects. Perhaps something like "and something good might happen" at the end would be more explicit.

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Re: Wish | Wish https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20492.msg287364#msg287364
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2011, 04:07:08 am »
nice card! it would be great for light.

Re: Wish | Wish https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20492.msg304087#msg304087
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2011, 07:44:13 pm »
I'm not sure I like the random aspect in Light... but you get points for reminding me of Final Fantasy Tactics.

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Re: Wish | Wish https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20492.msg330814#msg330814
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2011, 08:13:26 pm »
What needs to be done to make this card more interesting/viable in the polls?

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Re: Wish | Wish https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20492.msg362116#msg362116
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2011, 01:39:33 am »
1)50% Heal for 10 Hp. (1.5)
2)20% Draw 1 card.     (1.5)
3)15 % Heal for 10 Hp and add 1 Purify counter. (2.5)
4)10% Summon a Crusader.  (5)
5)5% Miracle is cast (does not drain all your quanta (15)

1)40% Heal for 10 HP. (1)
2)20% Draw 1 Card. (1)
3)20% Heal for 10 Hp and add 2 Purify counters. (2)
4)10% Summon a Crusader. (5)
5)5% A random Nymph is played. Its ability cost is now 4 . (6)
6)5% Miracle is cast (does not drain all your quanta). (12)

Unupped = 5
1) 5*1.5 = 7.5
2) 2*1.5 = 3
3) 1.5*2.5 = 3.75
4) 1*5 = 5
5) .5*15 = 7.5
add all up to get 26.75, divide by 5 for average of 5.35, rounded down to 5  
Upped = 4
1) 4*1 = 4
2) 2*1 = 2
3) 2*2 = 4
4) 1*5 = 5
5) .5*6 = 3
6) .5*12 = 6
added to make 24, divide by 6 to make 4all percentages were divided by 10 to make things easier

the heal cost i got by dividing heal card itself cost by 2 (3|2 / 2)
draw 1 card was mix of weakoned precog (1|.5) and hourglass ability cost (2|1) and rounded to nearest .5
the random nypmh was upped nymphs tears cost
since you calculated the percentages, the denominator is wrong. the correct formula would be (5*1.5+2*1.5+1.5*2.5+1*5+.5*15)/10, making it a 2.65 cost card, which rounds up to 3 :light. the upgraded version would be a 2.4 cost card, rounded down to 2 :light. the denominator should be 10 because you're doing weighted average of percentages and dividing by 10 "to make things easier".

to prove that I'm right, take this simple example: there are 4 apples and 1 orange in a box. apples cost $0.50 and oranges cost $0.75. the average cost of a fruit from the box is, in percentages, (80*0.5+20*0,75)/100 or, in percentages divided by 10, (8*0.5+2*0,75)/10. that is, $0.55. using your formula, however, we don't get to 0.55: (8*0.5+2*0.75)/2 = $2.75.

since miracle doesn't consume the mana pool as the original, maybe the cost should be increased, but it's too rare to get it. besides, due to random, it should be dropped. so, 3|2 sounds good to me, since lower than that would be too much :)

I'm sorry if I sound pedantic, I can't help it :P

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Re: Wish | Wish https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20492.msg381349#msg381349
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2011, 06:34:05 pm »
Very nice card I like the entire theme of it, ever thought of making it into a permanent ?

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Re: Wish | Wish https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20492.msg381453#msg381453
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2011, 10:41:39 pm »
Very nice card I like the entire theme of it, ever thought of making it into a permanent ?
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Re: Wish | Wish https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20492.msg384621#msg384621
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2011, 04:06:09 pm »
Very nice card I like the entire theme of it, ever thought of making it into a permanent ?
A wishing well!  :water/ :light duo!
Might be interesting to make if Wish gets into the game first. ;)

Thanks to all that have voted this card into the Armory! Proving once more that randomness isn't always about Entropy.   8)

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Re: Wish | Wish https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20492.msg386624#msg386624
« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2011, 06:04:40 am »
id make it cost more, like 5 :light and 4 :light
also the text is overly cheesy
but i like the card

 

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