Fenghuang | Fenghuang

[ZephyrPhantom]

NAME: Fenghuang ELEMENT: Air COST: 4 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 1 | 3 TEXT: Swift : Skill readies on play. Ren :  Target creature gains Bounce - it returns to the owner's hand on death.	NAME: Fenghuang ELEMENT: Air COST: 4 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2 | 4 TEXT: Swift : Skill readies on play. Ren :  Target creature gains Bounce - it returns to the owner's hand on death.

ART: TheManuz Source Image by Bernard Gagnon IDEA: Community Card Design I, Hosted by Zblader Many thanks to all who contributed. NOTES: Inspiration will come today, but don't hold your breath. ...or maybe you should. Start from the top, and look for where the wind goes. This is the result of our first Community Card Design, created by the community and balanced by the community. Bounce - When a creature with the Bounce passive dies, it does not trigger death effects and instead returns to the owner's hand. -Full hand causes Bounce to fail. -If killed by Aflatoxin or Skull Shield, the creature still returns to the hand for the following reason: Alfatoxin seems to trump Skull Shield and both trump Phoenix. To keep the creature in one place Bounce should trump all three. (no Ash, Cell or Skeleton) -Fenghuang is Airborne. -If Devour is used on a Bouncing creature +1 | +1 is not gained. (Creature is treated as 'escaping') -Bounce and Swift can both be gained through Mutation. -Reverse Time is not a 'kill' based card and would send any Bounce creature back to the top of the deck. -If a Phoenix with bounce is killed it goes back to your hand and generates no Ash. Wikipedia Article on Fenghuang SERIES:

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NAME: Fenghuang ELEMENT: Air COST: 4 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 1 | 3 TEXT: Swift - Can use ability when played. Ren : Target creature gains the Bounce passive skill.	NAME: Fenghuang ELEMENT: Air COST: 4 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2 | 4 TEXT: Swift - Can use ability when played. Ren : Target creature gains the Bounce passive skill.

ART: TheManuz (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29355.240.html) Source Image by Bernard Gagnon IDEA: Community Card Design I (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29355.0.html), Hosted by Zblader Many thanks to all who contributed. NOTES: This is the result of our first Community Card Design (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29355.0.html), created by the community and balanced by the community. Bounce - When a creature with the Bounce passive dies, it does not trigger death effects and instead returns to the owner's hand. -Full hand causes Bounce to fail. -If killed by Aflatoxin or Skull Shield, the creature still returns to the hand for the following reason: Alfatoxin seems to trump Skull Shield and both trump Phoenix. To keep the creature in one place Bounce should trump all three. (no Ash, Cell or Skeleton) -Fenghuang is Airborne. -If Devour is used on a Bouncing creature +1 | +1 is not gained. (Creature is treated as 'escaping') -Bounce and Swift can both be gained through Mutation. -Reverse Time is not a 'kill' based card and would send any Bounce creature back to the top of the deck. Inspiration will come today, but don't hold your breath. ...or maybe you should. Start from the top, and look for where the wind goes. Wikipedia Article on Fenghuang. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenghuang) SERIES:

[OldTrees]

Card Image is missing the Author line.

The Notes section is sparse. It should mention each interaction that was questioned.

[Rutarete]

I like the fortune.

[ZephyrPhantom]

Card Image is missing the Author line.
This was intentionally disabled by Xeno. Current card submissions without this line have been accepted, so I believe it's okay to leave the line out.
The Notes section is sparse. It should mention each interaction that was questioned.
More of interactions added.

-Full hand currently causes Bounce to fail.
---Alternatively, Bounced creatures can go back to the top of the deck. Which version do you feel is better?

This was never fully resolved, IMHO, so I based the following situation on Bounce's wording/game coding. If anyone has other opinions, feel free to post.

[FlareGlutox]

I think that full hand shouldn't cause bounce to fail, but instead have the creature return to its owner's deck (RT-style). This would enable draw-denial through Ren-usage on opponent's creatures (making Fenghuang more versatile) as well as disabling nightmare as a direct counter to bounce (but enabling it as an indirect counter because of draw-denial).

Otherwise, i think that all the effort we put into this project finally paid off, I'm just happy to see this awesome card we worked out right now

[TheManuz]

I'm not sure if full hand should prevent bounce or not.
We should consider pro and cons and make a poll.

[OldTrees]

I think bounce should fail if there is not room in the hand to retreat to. It gives the ability a tactical weakness to Nightmare which increases gameplay complexity in a positive manner.

[TheManuz]

I think bounce should fail if there is not room in the hand to retreat to. It gives the ability a tactical weakness to Nightmare which increases gameplay complexity in a positive manner.

Right. But we can also think that if a player have a full hand and some "bounce" creatures die, they will make the player "lose" new draws.
However i find this boring... i prefer to draw new cards, even if that means losing a creature.
Also, this means that there is a way to kill a "bounce" creature. A difficult one, sure, but there is one.

[Xenocidius]

Card Image is missing the Author line.
This was intentionally disabled by Xeno. Current card submissions without this line have been accepted, so I believe it's okay to leave the line out.
The Notes section is sparse. It should mention each interaction that was questioned.

You are referring to the Artist field of the Card Image Builder? It is merely disabled by default; there is a checkbox to enable it.

By the way ... I find the 'COMMUNITY CARD : ' in the title questionable should this be submitted to the Crucible.

[Pineapple]

Nothing that TheManuz has posted in this thread without requesting credit for the art, I believe he's okay with the card image as is.

Furthermore, I agree on label. Personally, I find it obnoxious, but then again, I found the sticky for the design thread obnoxious too.

[FlareGlutox]

I think bounce should fail if there is not room in the hand to retreat to. It gives the ability a tactical weakness to Nightmare which increases gameplay complexity in a positive manner.

Right. But we can also think that if a player have a full hand and some "bounce" creatures die, they will make the player "lose" new draws.
However i find this boring... i prefer to draw new cards, even if that means losing a creature.
Also, this means that there is a way to kill a "bounce" creature. A difficult one, sure, but there is one.

Ok, you two have convinced me, bounce having no true weakness seems surreal (or boring) for the game.

Also your hand needs to be empty, if you want to protect 8 creatures in one turn (against firestorm, skull shield, etc). This may be unlikely but not completely impossible, thus forcing you to decide, whether to keep your creatures or your unrevealed hand cards (which adds more appreciated tactical "flavors" to the game, along the lines of OldTrees' statement).

[TheManuz]

Another thing that i really like about bounce ability is the fact that if you have 7 cards in hand and a bounce creature "die", you lose a draw.
Nice drawback!

About the card art: there are already credits in the table, so i don't mind if there is no credit on the card.