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Re: Wings https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7549.msg84232#msg84232
« Reply #60 on: June 06, 2010, 06:51:04 pm »
Not reading through three pages...

"Wings" is a fine name. Light's shield is called "hope." Looks like Zanz may be creating a one-word shield for each element. Kind of like an uber-themed shield (light's depends on the production of light, air's reflects the ability of flight).

That being said, what if this shield were like hope instead? For each flying creature you control, you take one less damage?
Well since roughly half of the creatures in the game will be flying, I can imagine that would be heavily abused.  I mean even mono- :air  would have a REALLY easy time since every one of its creatures would be flying, and thus you could use whatever creature you wanted to protect yourself.
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Re: Wings https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7549.msg84254#msg84254
« Reply #61 on: June 06, 2010, 07:14:12 pm »
I dislike this.

It makes the game more complex, adding more kinds of mechanics that arent realy needed.

To some level too powerful because it makes so many monsters useless it can be destroyde, but still. If you're facing a gravity shield, you can use lightning on your own creatures to make them usefull again and if you're upp against diamond shield you can use blessing. This shield is harder to circumvent unless you have precisely the right creatures, and all decks dont carry momentum of steal.

It also adds more kinds of a rock, scissor, paper style to the game, and that's not funny even if the elements are ment to be different.

That said elements is overall a great game and I am looking forward to the other new cards that may be coming.

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Re: Wings https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7549.msg84259#msg84259
« Reply #62 on: June 06, 2010, 07:19:31 pm »
I dislike this.

It makes the game more complex, adding more kinds of mechanics that arent realy needed.

To some level too powerful because it makes so many monsters useless it can be destroyde, but still. If you're facing a gravity shield, you can use lightning on your own creatures to make them usefull again and if you're upp against diamond shield you can use blessing. This shield is harder to circumvent unless you have precisely the right creatures, and all decks dont carry momentum of steal.

It also adds more kinds of a rock, scissor, paper style to the game, and that's not funny even if the elements are ment to be different.

That said elements is overall a great game and I am looking forward to the other new cards that may be coming.
Well using your logic, not every deck carries lightning or other ways to reduce creature HP, so doesn't Gravity Shield completely negate any deck that doesn't pick the right creatures?

The more I think about this shield, the more I like it.  Weird, huh?   ::)
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Re: Wings https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7549.msg84270#msg84270
« Reply #63 on: June 06, 2010, 07:39:03 pm »
I dislike this.

It makes the game more complex, adding more kinds of mechanics that arent realy needed.

To some level too powerful because it makes so many monsters useless it can be destroyde, but still. If you're facing a gravity shield, you can use lightning on your own creatures to make them usefull again and if you're upp against diamond shield you can use blessing. This shield is harder to circumvent unless you have precisely the right creatures, and all decks dont carry momentum of steal.

It also adds more kinds of a rock, scissor, paper style to the game, and that's not funny even if the elements are ment to be different.

That said elements is overall a great game and I am looking forward to the other new cards that may be coming.
Well using your logic, not every deck carries lightning or other ways to reduce creature HP, so doesn't Gravity Shield completely negate any deck that doesn't pick the right creatures?

The more I think about this shield, the more I like it.  Weird, huh?   ::)
What you say makes sense.

However what i was kind of trying to say was that a creatures hp CAN be adjusted (basilisk blood, lightning etc...) whenever a creature is flying or not can't. Some shields block some damage, som can be destroyed after 3 turns and some by monster attacks, but this renders maybe all of your monsters unable to hit your opponent, not because they are weak as in the case of solar shield, but simply because they arn't the "right" kind of monster.

That is why I belive that this is slight OP and a creator of a weird rock, scissor, paper effect.

(And no, i am not a big fan of the gravity shield.)

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Re: Wings https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7549.msg84271#msg84271
« Reply #64 on: June 06, 2010, 07:40:34 pm »
air is going to kick so much ass now!!! i hope this card is released before the next war, there will be hell to pay for everyones hate for air....
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Re: Wings https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7549.msg84274#msg84274
« Reply #65 on: June 06, 2010, 07:47:57 pm »
air is going to kick so much ass now!!! i hope this card is released before the next war, there will be hell to pay for everyones hate for air....
Was about to say ha your shield belongs to darkness (steal) but then I remembered the oh sh-- part  when I realised all your creatures are flying.

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Re: Wings https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7549.msg84275#msg84275
« Reply #66 on: June 06, 2010, 07:48:16 pm »
air is going to kick so much ass now!!! i hope this card is released before the next war, there will be hell to pay for everyones hate for air....
Oh darn, I knew I shouldn't have said anything in the betting thread.   :-\

I dislike this.

It makes the game more complex, adding more kinds of mechanics that arent realy needed.

To some level too powerful because it makes so many monsters useless it can be destroyde, but still. If you're facing a gravity shield, you can use lightning on your own creatures to make them usefull again and if you're upp against diamond shield you can use blessing. This shield is harder to circumvent unless you have precisely the right creatures, and all decks dont carry momentum of steal.

It also adds more kinds of a rock, scissor, paper style to the game, and that's not funny even if the elements are ment to be different.

That said elements is overall a great game and I am looking forward to the other new cards that may be coming.
Well using your logic, not every deck carries lightning or other ways to reduce creature HP, so doesn't Gravity Shield completely negate any deck that doesn't pick the right creatures?

The more I think about this shield, the more I like it.  Weird, huh?   ::)
What you say makes sense.

However what i was kind of trying to say was that a creatures hp CAN be adjusted (basilisk blood, lightning etc...) whenever a creature is flying or not can't. Some shields block some damage, som can be destroyed after 3 turns and some by monster attacks, but this renders maybe all of your monsters unable to hit your opponent, not because they are weak as in the case of solar shield, but simply because they arn't the "right" kind of monster.

That is why I belive that this is slight OP and a creator of a weird rock, scissor, paper effect.

(And no, i am not a big fan of the gravity shield.)
Well this shield has many, MANY counters including any permanent control, spells, half of the creatures in the game, and, hopefully, all weapons.

I still fail to see how this creates a Rock-Paper-Scissors affect that plagued Warcraft 3.
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Re: Wings https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7549.msg84282#msg84282
« Reply #67 on: June 06, 2010, 07:57:25 pm »
air is going to kick so much ass now!!! i hope this card is released before the next war, there will be hell to pay for everyones hate for air....
Was about to say ha your shield belongs to darkness (steal) but then I remembered the oh sh-- part  when I realised all your creatures are flying.
i loled so frikin hard when the o sh-- part came up
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Re: Wings https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7549.msg84286#msg84286
« Reply #68 on: June 06, 2010, 08:03:49 pm »
even more OP than something like Gravity Shield - And that is a pain in the ass >_<

I assume (reading first page) that the airbourne creatures would also include gargoyle? as I couldn't see in anywhere...

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Re: Wings https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7549.msg84289#msg84289
« Reply #69 on: June 06, 2010, 08:09:17 pm »
air is going to kick so much ass now!!! i hope this card is released before the next war, there will be hell to pay for everyones hate for air....
Was about to say ha your shield belongs to darkness (steal) but then I remembered the oh sh-- part  when I realised all your creatures are flying.
i loled so frikin hard when the o sh-- part came up
well you didn't count on err.....(checks in the back)....ha our gargoyle which may or may not be blocked by this! yeh you're doomed now....

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Re: Wings https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7549.msg84295#msg84295
« Reply #70 on: June 06, 2010, 08:19:21 pm »
air is going to kick so much ass now!!! i hope this card is released before the next war, there will be hell to pay for everyones hate for air....
Was about to say ha your shield belongs to darkness (steal) but then I remembered the oh sh-- part  when I realised all your creatures are flying.
i loled so frikin hard when the o sh-- part came up
well you didn't count on err.....(checks in the back)....ha our gargoyle which may or may not be blocked by this! yeh you're doomed now....
upd gargoyle = 7 each
wyrm (upd) = 10 (dive) ....
one of their cards LOL
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Re: Wings https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7549.msg84386#msg84386
« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2010, 10:11:19 pm »
I think, that the shield is not as strong as I assumed, when I read that first.  Many of the creatures with high damage can fly ( mainly dragons and Phoenix ), it would be good against many growing creatures (esp. Lava Golem and Graviton Fire Eater in Fire Decks, and big growing creatures need a good countercard ) and that could make Air to a real counter element against Fire.

I donĀ“t know, if the Spirits can fly.
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