Round 6 - Main Topic

[Higurashi]

I can only see Shields being useful in a NovaGrabby that lacks Fog Shield/Dim Shield, but don't underestimate it there. It can turn battles around if it's out early. In NovaGrabbies without Arsenic, a Short Sword is a perfect fit.

This event card can also be used to avoid suicides, which might help some teams. I really like it :>
I'm also pleased to face both Earth and Entropy. I'd rather see Time doing better than both of those, and this is a chance to hurt their vault. It's also our chance to improve our stats against Earth x)

[mrpaper]

I can only see Shields being useful in a NovaGrabby that lacks Fog Shield/Dim Shield, but don't underestimate it there. It can turn battles around if it's out early. In NovaGrabbies without Arsenic, a Short Sword is a perfect fit.

This event card can also be used to avoid suicides, which might help some teams. I really like it :>
I'm also pleased to face both Earth and Entropy. I'd rather see Time doing better than both of those, and this is a chance to hurt their vault. It's also our chance to improve our stats against Earth x)

I assume you meant if we are to choose between the 2, but we must pick only one event card for the team, not one per deck.

And I will try my best to bring earth  team down to ear... well you get the point!

[hainkarga]

I think we should just choose the sword. I'll do a vault analysis workup on our opponents and then proceed some deck suggestions accordingly, probably tomorrow. We have great players. I see no reason not going 6-0 this round

[Shaliyah]

I think we should just choose the sword. I'll do a vault analysis workup on our opponents and then proceed some deck suggestions accordingly, probably tomorrow. We have great players. I see no reason not going 6-0 this round

I will agree with you on that. The only 2 shields though that would be useful are fire and solar ones. The second one mostly for our light aether stall. Though I see more potential on taking the sword rather than a shield. Our opponents most of the time come with deflags or steals, so they may think we packed more dims even. So I say let's surprise them with the swords. =)

[Higurashi]

The Event Card is a bit confusingly formulated, but allow me to clarify. The word "Shield" refers only to this specific card:


And the word "Sword" refers only to this specific card:


We can't even upgrade either, or else anyone could get a big boost in either stalling or rushing capability. The challenge is in fitting these two subpar cards into a deck for a reward.

[hainkarga]

Vault analysis

[All other than & are mostly complete. These two elements are enigmatic]


Gen. willng3 vs UTAlan

Team
Vault size: 91 cards. Fielding 2 players.
Other opponents:
Expected Deck: Fractal frogs / mitosis dragons or vampires.
Deck: Devtal possibly (Sanctuaries are a bit scary but i don't think they will use light against us)
They have these decks from round 5:

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5bt 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 7ae 80i 80i 80i 8pu

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5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5c3 5c5 5c5 5c5 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c9 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5l8 5lm 5lm 5lm 5mq 7k5 7k5 7k5 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pq

Looted 9 cards from deck:

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58r 58r 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61r 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 6rk 77b 77b 8pu

Looted 9 cards from deck:

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5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 622 622 622 622 7t8 7t9 7t9 7tb 7td 7td 7td 7um 7um 8pu

Comments: Judging by their vault size, r5 salvage isn't really useful to them other than aether cards. Also since they field only 2 players, and already saved 2 decks from round 5, they don't really need conversion. So we can assume they will loot aether cards only unless they saved some earthquakes in their vault. 60 cards + 18 cards from salvage. 13 remaining cards. Now they saved 9 cards from agentflare's deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33675.0.html) which we can assume cards since 9 fire cards being enough to put up a deck is questionable. But who knows they can still put up a firestall if they try hard.

So the possible 5 decks for them are: flying staves (life + light), fractal frogs, mono life, PU jade dragons and a weak firestall. If they improvise, they can make some kind of a mitosis-vampire deck too i guess
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jippy99 vs hainkarga

Team

Vault size: 206 cards. Fielding 6 players.
Other opponents: -  (lt) - - -
Expected Deck: Death & Earth EQ deck.
Deck: Fractix with pillar variety from salvage against EQs, and enough power to beat down bonewalls.
This deck might include all the fire pendulums / pillars. If Evaria uses a fractal deck, she won't need them.

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4t4 4t4 5f0 5f0 5f6 5f6 5gi 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61q 61q 61q 61q 622 622 622 622 63a 63a 7ds 7ds 7ds 7ds 7f2 808 81q 8po

They have these winning decks from round 5:

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52g 52g 52g 52g 52l 52l 52p 52p 52p 52p 52p 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 593 593 593 594 594 594 594 594 594 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 77c 77c 77j 8pm

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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52q 52r 52r 52r 542 542 542 542 542 61o 61o 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 622 622 713 713 713 8pu

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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52h 52q 52r 52r 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 713 713 713 713 713 71b 8pk

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4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52o 52o 52q 52q 52t 52t 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 5c1 61q 713 713 7dm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7gm 7n0 8pp

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52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52t 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 622 622 713 713 71a 8pu

They salvage 9 cards from:

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55o 55o 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 745 745 745 7dg 7dk 7dk 8po

They salvage 9 cards from:

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4st 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 590 590 5ia 5on 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uo 5up 5up 5uu 606 606 606 606 61q 7tb 7tf 7tf 8pm

Comments: 156 cards from their surviving decks + 18 from salvage above, 174 cards. 32 cards hidden which might be determined from their round 4 decks. Frankly, their EQ deck is yelling "USE ME AGAINST AETHER OR UW". And high chances are we will face it. I'm meaning to use fractix deck against that, but i should test first.


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plastiqe vs Evaria

Team

Vault size: 117 cards. Fielding 3 players.
Other opponents: -
Expected Deck: Momentumed Dragons / Wyrms
Deck: Another Fractix to outspeed dragons and protection against wings & CC

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4t4 4t4 5f6 5f6 61q 61q 61q 61q 622 622 622 622 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 7ds 7ds 7ds 7ds 81q 81q 81q 8po

Their surviving decks from round 5:

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5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5pu 5pu 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 5up 5uu 5uu 7mu 7mu 7mu 7mu 7mu 7mu 7td 7td 7td 8pt

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4vd 4vd 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vn 5og 5og 5on 5on 5on 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 6u7 6u7 6u7 6u9 7mv 7mv 8pj

They salvage 9 cards from:

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55q 55q 55q 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ro 5ro 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 74a 74a 74a 8pl

They save 3 cards from:

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52r 52r 52r 52r 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5od 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5ol 5ol 5ol 5ol 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 71a 71a 7n5 8pk

Edit: I think i found these two surviving air decks from round4, which probably are most of the cards they didn't field on round5 (life cards mostly)

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5c5 5c5 5c5 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c8 5c8 5c9 5c9 5c9 5og 5og 5oi 5oi 5oi 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 7mu 7mu 7mu 8pn

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55v 55v 55v 55v 55v 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5og 5og 5ol 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 745 745 7mv 8pl

Comments: Here we can see 73 cards of their vault, leaving 44 hidden which we need to extract from earlier rounds. But among the two decks above, they'd come onto us with that entropy deck. Altough an early discord is troublesome, it can be countered by a phase dragon deck. Tho judging by their deck being ineffective against their other opponents and we being weak against quanta denial, they may also bring that darkness deck. There is a possibility that they will loot them 6x momentums and face us with momentumed-air dragons deck.
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Gen. Higurashi vs Bonestorm

Team

Vault size: 312 cards. Fielding 7 players.
Other opponents: - - - (Gen) - (lt) - (lt) - (lt)
Expected Deck: Some sort of a rush deck with discords... or something. In their last 16 matches they only used stall twice, and lost one of them. They tend to use rushy decks. I think we gotta stall'em.
Deck: Higs will *sigh* this. But i suggest 34-35 card deckout deck with full set of each bonewall - DS - lightning . Or like mrpaper suggests, bonebolt mummy thingy.
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CCCombobreaker vs lt. mrpaper

Team

Vault size: 330 cards. Fielding 8 players.
Other opponents: - (lt) - - - - - (Gen)
Expected Deck: I don't expect an EQ deck from them, i expect a rush deck with a few PC. If i were them i'd expect a graboid from us.
Deck: As oddly as it sounds, Mono aether with full set of lightnings, some upped pillars and 6x Phase spiders (or dragons)
Comments:
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Gen. majofa vs Odii Odsen

Team
Other opponents: -
Vault size: 106 cards. Fielding 3 players.
Expected Deck: RoL / Hope
Deck: Fractal Chargers or graboid
Light's surviving decks from round 5 are:

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5la 5lk 5lk 5lk 5lm 5mq 5mq 5mq 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 622 622 622 622 622 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7ju 808 80e 8pu

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5l8 5l8 5l8 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 61q 61q 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 6rk 7ju 7ju 8pu

They save 9 cards from their loss

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5f6 5f6 5f6 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5lh 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 7ju 7ju 7ju 8po

Comments: 69 cards out of 106, leaving 37 cards hidden which might be extracted from previous rounds. Those 37 cards might change their decks hugely so we gotta go and look at it. But among the two above, they will likely bring Rol/hope deck against us. Which we can face off with a graboid deck with discords and momentum. Other possibility is they bring an army of angels with assisting deflags to revenge the reason of their previous loss (our DS)

[mrpaper]

nice decks analysis, here is my thoughts on em... by the way, we seem to have got a really lucky draw for our matchups, facing the only member of air that ain't lt or General, and facing one of the few death people that ain't lt and General, avoiding time which is still really strong and avoiding to face the lt or Gen with earth and Entropy ... of course we got 2 generals, but those are from weakened teams so let's see how it goes!  Also, teams facing us might decide to go for shield in the event (especially low cards remaining elements), because 1 hit less from fract cards can be useful.

For  I would think they will go with a darkness duo since steal is the only way they have around our dimension shields. *** I would go with a 31-32 card deck here in case they bring adren jade staff and sanctuary to heal forever against us (unless we go fractal and deal A TON, like a possible 1hko, of damage)!  They are likely to bring the thorn carapace against us too since our dragons get poisoned anyway and it takes care of fractal pretty well, wo we need a few deflags in this deck.

For  Interesting fact, they seem to be almost out of poison, so purify ain't as much needed as it usually is against em.  Eq against us is a possibility yeah, bone wall deck not so much if they expect fractal (they should!) but they're dimension shield deck/fractal could be use to give us a taste of our own medecine.  Solution: have 31 cards and as many Dimension shields as em.  They also have to steals, so we need to be sure they won't use it or it won't matter much.. they won't use steal AND fractal on us so we should be able to absorb a 1 turn hit by em, but maybe steal ourselves and go devtal here?

For    They can try to go at us with momentum cards, but they seem to only have 3 available, so even if they momentum 3 dragons, they can be taken care of  with 6 lightnings (should be in the deck!).  They're other possibilities is to go with steals again (so many have still access to that!) or discord (maybe a trio with momentum and bh for gravity).  I would stay away from graboids in case of the surprise wings and would try to go with lots of aether quanta to put dimension shield on and avoid BH.

for  , they only have 2 things that can beat us, deflags and a ROL deck, to beat deflags, we need more DS then EM, or just don't rely on that at all and let the deflags be kinda useless! To beat ROL, though, we need momentum creatures, but it's a big risk if we don't have something to take care of the lobotomizer because they will have 1 for sure to remove that special effect.  31 card deck might be an option here too if we go with the idea they will go ROL.

[mrpaper]

for  , looking at what we know only, a duo with darkness, filled with steals, lycans and discords (see rush6 deck) could do well against us.  A quasi mono with explosions would do almost the same too ( see Rastafla deck).
They also have a light stall but that is unlikely since our fractals would destroy that ( and any attemp to survive with antimatter!)
Last but not least, they could go  with a classic Discord BH duo.  My verdict here would be to go with fractals and outrush em since Higs have the advantage on upped cards with either upped bonewalls to have a chance to put it in play fast or Dimension shields and some upped quanta (they might have some surprise EQ too so it would help in 2 way).

For  .... Well Hello EQ! some upped quanta is much needed for me here.  They have many dimension shield, so they could try to prevent our fratcals that way (see Sevs deck). They also have 2 stall with fire and Stone Skin for one and light and Stone skin (see MithCairon and Kuroaitou deck), it would be pretty effective since the diamond shield protect 3 damage from our creatures, so we need deflag or steal to prevent that.    Maybe a graboid deck is the best way to go for me.

[hainkarga]

I strongly expect those momentumed dragons / wyrms against our DS, because looted 9 cards from that deck and there are 6 momentums in that time deck. And they would feel more confident since the HP of dragons is resistant enough for lightnings and momentums nullify our shields. Fractix should take care of any case.
Edit: I edited thoughts on most of my deck suggestions on vault analysis. I keep editing it, expanding my reasoning. Please read when you have time for it.

[mrpaper]

I disagree going mono aether on my deck, the others deck all seems like they should win unless we got it all wrong!  Mono aether will loss to any of they're 2 stall and would hardly win against a graboid deck with deflags/steals or also packed with dimension shields

[hainkarga]

Sure, i don't think we need graboid deck specifically against another element (perhaps ). So it fits to you imo. Who knows what will do with their gigantic deck anyway.

[Odii Odsen]

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I expect a RoL/Hope Deck, so I create this Deck:

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3 Elite Charger from our Salvage. I know they have 1 Lobotomizer, thatswhy I put a Deflag and a Steal in this deck. I'm glad, that we have a Momentum.
I want to use an upgraded Steal and Deflag because of the high costs of the PC cards. If you have some ideas to replace steal, just say. Steal costs maybe too much. 3 with 6 Nova is to much.

No matter of sword or shield. I can play both. Shield could be better against RoL/hope