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Re: Phase Salvager | Phase Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45299.msg1029040#msg1029040
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2013, 11:45:47 pm »
phase salvager is completely useless in its current form. Having to use other cards to buff it to make it useful doesn't leave much room for perms in a deck.

it would be much better if it was 0/1 where it could die to any CC. Otherwise, make the ability occur when the creature is played, in which case, you might as well turn it into a spell...

Seriously tho, I can see the gravy salvager being much more useful in aether duos. With the exception of SoP (which is banned in many pvp events), phase salvager is a dead card.

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Re: Phase Salvager | Phase Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45299.msg1029257#msg1029257
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2013, 03:08:20 pm »
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Re: Phase Salvager | Phase Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45299.msg1029263#msg1029263
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2013, 03:15:11 pm »
phase salvager is completely useless in its current form. Having to use other cards to buff it to make it useful doesn't leave much room for perms in a deck.

it would be much better if it was 0/1 where it could die to any CC. Otherwise, make the ability occur when the creature is played, in which case, you might as well turn it into a spell...

Seriously tho, I can see the gravy salvager being much more useful in aether duos. With the exception of SoP (which is banned in many pvp events), phase salvager is a dead card.

Dune Scorpion is a dead card. you have to have other cards that buff it. You can't even use it in a mono time deck, you have to have a duo at least. Dune Scorpion is a dead card.

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Re: Phase Salvager | Phase Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45299.msg1029266#msg1029266
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2013, 03:25:39 pm »
are the salvagers rare? I can't find them in bazaar, neither dessication.

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Re: Phase Salvager | Phase Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45299.msg1029270#msg1029270
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2013, 03:40:56 pm »
are the salvagers rare? I can't find them in bazaar, neither dessication.

I've seen them in the arena spins.  I have one desiccation so far.  The arena spins laugh at me when I can't match three in a row of any of the new stuff, though :p



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Re: Phase Salvager | Phase Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45299.msg1029336#msg1029336
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2013, 07:13:46 pm »
are the salvagers rare? I can't find them in bazaar, neither dessication.

The new cards this patch will be treated as Rares until next Sunday, where they'll be added to the Bazaar.

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Re: Phase Salvager | Phase Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45299.msg1029693#msg1029693
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2013, 11:46:51 pm »
phase salvager is completely useless in its current form. Having to use other cards to buff it to make it useful doesn't leave much room for perms in a deck.

it would be much better if it was 0/1 where it could die to any CC. Otherwise, make the ability occur when the creature is played, in which case, you might as well turn it into a spell...

Seriously tho, I can see the gravy salvager being much more useful in aether duos. With the exception of SoP (which is banned in many pvp events), phase salvager is a dead card.

Dune Scorpion is a dead card. you have to have other cards that buff it. You can't even use it in a mono time deck, you have to have a duo at least. Dune Scorpion is a dead card.

Dune scorpion is an awful comparison.

First, dune scorpion's ability is unique. No other creature has neurotoxin ability. Whereas gravy salvager shares the same ability with phase salvager, and it doesn't require a buff.

Second, neurotoxin continues to build after scorp dies. Salvager only works if deflag, pulvy, EQ, or SoF is used (assuming the creature isn't killed first)

Third, you only need 1 dune combo for a dune deck to work. With salvage, you likely need multiple since 1 will get CC'd. Also, phase salvager's attack is not enough to make it a decent attacker in rushes.

Bottom line, gravy salvager makes phase salvager dead. Phase salvager's requirement for a buff makes it useless in almost every deck. If you want to use salvage ability, you won't have much space for perms after buffs. If you want to rush, there are much better rushes than buffing phase salvagers.


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Re: Phase Salvager | Phase Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45299.msg1029696#msg1029696
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2013, 11:51:57 pm »
Bottom line, gravy salvager makes phase salvager dead. Phase salvager's requirement for a buff makes it useless in almost every deck. If you want to use salvage ability, you won't have much space for perms after buffs. If you want to rush, there are much better rushes than buffing phase salvagers.

I agree. Since there is nothing in-element to save phase salvager, you already need at least a duo. And gravy salvager + SoW > Phase salvager + armor/blessing/chaos power, simply because you can play gravy salvager and SoW without the other.

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Re: Phase Salvager | Phase Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45299.msg1029698#msg1029698
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2013, 12:03:03 am »
what permanents in element for gravity vs permanents in element for aether do you think prompted the change in shift?

a phase salvager without a need to buff is very, very powerful.




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Re: Phase Salvager | Phase Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45299.msg1029710#msg1029710
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2013, 12:31:00 am »
what permanents in element for gravity vs permanents in element for aether do you think prompted the change in shift?

a phase salvager without a need to buff is very, very powerful.

Last I checked, salvage doesn't only work on in-element perms...

Lets say you want to combo dims with salvage ability. A deck with gravy salvager would be more effective than phase salvager. You will have more room in your deck for other attacking cards, it will be more consistent since it doesn't require a combo, and gravy salv is more resistant to CC than a buffed phase salv.

For the third time, gravy salvager basically makes phase salvager dead.

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Re: Phase Salvager | Phase Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45299.msg1029723#msg1029723
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2013, 01:40:28 am »
what permanents in element for gravity vs permanents in element for aether do you think prompted the change in shift?

a phase salvager without a need to buff is very, very powerful.

Last I checked, salvage doesn't only work on in-element perms...

Lets say you want to combo dims with salvage ability. A deck with gravy salvager would be more effective than phase salvager. You will have more room in your deck for other attacking cards, it will be more consistent since it doesn't require a combo, and gravy salv is more resistant to CC than a buffed phase salv.

For the third time, gravy salvager basically makes phase salvager dead.

I think you are wrong.

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Re: Phase Salvager | Phase Salvager https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45299.msg1029725#msg1029725
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