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Title: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: icybraker on January 11, 2010, 11:47:26 pm

Phase Dragon
NAME:
Elite Phase Dragon
Aether
ELEMENT:
Aether
13 :aether
COST:
14 :aether
Creature
TYPE:
Creature
8|6
ATK|HP:
10|6
Immaterial:
Phase Dragon can not be targeted.
TEXT:
Immaterial:
Elite Phase Dragon can not be targeted.
Common
RARITY:
Upgraded
109 / 77
BUY/SELL:
1609 / 1170
61v
DECK CODE:
80f
Staple
ROLE:
Staple
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Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Kamietsu on January 12, 2010, 12:44:23 am
These are really good, even at such a high cost as a regular dragon + Quint costs just about the same. But these work all as one card so it saves deck space. only problem is with the 5+ hp blocking shield
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: ltenn1 on February 20, 2010, 08:01:54 pm
Classic cards, and the staple of many an Aether deck for a while until Rainbow took over.  Too cool not to use regularly still though, this + dimension shield is extremely strong.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: icybraker on February 24, 2010, 01:04:06 am
And the card art is awesome! ;)
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Glorioustickman on March 01, 2010, 03:21:25 am
The most awesome card is my deck. Useful due to the fact that I don't have to wait until I draw my Quint. And, awesome art!
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: icybraker on March 01, 2010, 11:21:45 pm
:) Yep. And it does a serious amount of damage.

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Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Glorioustickman on March 11, 2010, 03:25:36 am
Phase Drag - Immortality makes it the strongest dragon in the game.

Elite Phase Drag - An Emerald Dragon with Quintessensce. Beautiful.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: teffy on March 12, 2010, 12:49:14 am
What was Phase Dragon, before it became immortal?
It was a x/4 creature, but I forgot the number of x. Was it 13 ?

The immortal Phase Dragon is one of my favorite Dragons.
The mortal Phase Dragon was the Dragon, I hated most.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: miniwally on March 28, 2010, 02:21:32 pm
Great in mono-aether decks but immortality can be a pain when you get some TU's just wanting to copy them :P.

Great artwork especially the upgrade.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Baily18 on March 28, 2010, 02:26:35 pm
They were changed to immortals because of TU :P
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: miniwally on March 28, 2010, 03:19:47 pm
They were changed to immortals because of TU :P
Never knew that. Were mono-aether decks just TUing them then and having an awesome amount?
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Lucifear on March 28, 2010, 03:59:57 pm
They were changed to immortals because of TU :P
Never knew that. Were mono-aether decks just TUing them then and having an awesome amount?
Not only that, but phase dragons were bigger, and I think PU was cheaper. Phase dragons were definitely cheaper (8 :aether I think)

So yeah, it sucked fighting mono-aether xD
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: wassd13 on April 01, 2010, 02:25:34 am
i love this card
sucks i didnt get a chance to use in on you icy with my aether/enthropy deck
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: 3golden982 on May 12, 2010, 05:28:45 pm
Its a good dragon.The upgraded one has good artwork,but should The upped dragon have like more HP?And jus 2 more attack?
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: rakazy8564 on June 12, 2010, 08:02:13 pm
Its a good dragon.The upgraded one has good artwork,but should The upped dragon have like more HP?And jus 2 more attack?
It keeps it under the Gravity Shield's effect so I think the no Hp increase is ok.  Could increase the attack just a little more though! ^^  An untouchable source of 10 damage is still better than an untouchable source of 8 damage =D
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Retribution on June 12, 2010, 08:11:32 pm
Its a good dragon.The upgraded one has good artwork,but should The upped dragon have like more HP?And jus 2 more attack?
It keeps it under the Gravity Shield's effect so I think the no Hp increase is ok.  Could increase the attack just a little more though! ^^  An untouchable source of 10 damage is still better than an untouchable source of 8 damage =D
6 HP gets blocked by gravity shield  :'(
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: rakazy8564 on June 14, 2010, 09:32:17 pm
Its a good dragon.The upgraded one has good artwork,but should The upped dragon have like more HP?And jus 2 more attack?
It keeps it under the Gravity Shield's effect so I think the no Hp increase is ok.  Could increase the attack just a little more though! ^^  An untouchable source of 10 damage is still better than an untouchable source of 8 damage =D
6 HP gets blocked by gravity shield  :'(
Yea, just noticed, I wonder, would Zanz make it 12/5 if I asked?
Cause the Light Element's weapon doesn't cost much (Around 5 :light if I remember right) and it normally does 7/8 when upgraded.  Also, it's initially untouchable so it's kinda a cheap immortal weapon, creature if it's animated( and total cost is still 7 which is low compared to the normal phase dragon).
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: icecoldbro on June 27, 2010, 03:58:37 am
one of my fave cards in game just look at my avatar the day this was posted also im an avid monoaether user so this is like my bread and butter also this card and a mono aether deck is the cheapest most effective HB killer
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: ratchetspyro94 on July 26, 2010, 08:57:38 pm
I like the Elite Phase dragon even tho they cost so much.

i used to have a Mono Aether deck but i sold it cause it was boring.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: thebouncer84 on July 30, 2010, 04:42:11 am
i love mono aether
and phase dragon completes the love :aether
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: TheodorCo on October 19, 2010, 06:20:21 pm
It's attack is too low for that much cost. Its's better to use Quintessence on a low cost high attack dragon than to summon this.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Blasting-Light on October 19, 2010, 06:31:05 pm
It's attack is too low for that much cost. Its's better to use Quintessence on a low cost high attack dragon than to summon this.
Yes, but then you would be using 2 Diferent elements.  :P
Title: Re: Phase Dragon / Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: shinyarceus4 on November 04, 2010, 06:20:53 pm
is the upgraded art meant to show it tearing a gap in space? ???
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: zoronpenguin on April 24, 2012, 08:21:42 pm
i want that card
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: dreadwoe on April 24, 2012, 08:25:46 pm
I've learned to haye these from the anger i feel when against an aether stall.

I have to admit that it isn't a horribly OP card though
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: kimham8a on October 18, 2012, 02:46:02 am
Just curious, does anyone know what phase dragon was before the change/changes?
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Drake_XIV on October 18, 2012, 02:55:07 am
It just didn't have Immaterial, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: ddevans96 on October 18, 2012, 02:59:19 am
Mortal with 13|4 on one version. Not sure which, however. Probably upgraded.

Honestly, I think it should be mortal with slightly lower stats than the typical dragons, if that helps balance the usage with PU - which I consider basically a non-factor after the introduction of pendulums.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: vivimancer on October 21, 2012, 12:28:33 am
a non-immerteral phase dragon would also significantly nerf the Dragon + SoW spam that seems quite common
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: furballdn on October 21, 2012, 02:15:12 am
a non-immerteral phase dragon would also significantly nerf the Dragon + SoW spam that seems quite common
Immortals are much more popular for SoW usage than dragons due to being nearly half the cost.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Drake_XIV on October 21, 2012, 08:42:27 am
a non-immerteral phase dragon would also significantly nerf the Dragon + SoW spam that seems quite common

Nerf Phase Dragon?  You'd actually say goodbye to Shard of Wisdom and say hello to Twin Universe spam again.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: vivimancer on October 25, 2012, 06:10:09 am

Nerf Phase Dragon?  You'd actually say goodbye to Shard of Wisdom and say hello to Twin Universe spam again.

It would certainly make a change =) But the game has grown a lot since mono-aether was so dominant, there are more ways to contain TW spam now.  But really there is  no real reason to nerf phase dragons
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: ddevans96 on October 25, 2012, 03:14:34 pm
SoW is better to use on Immortals and with Reflective anyways. There's basically zero reason after the introduction of pendulums to prohibit a mono PU dragon.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: kimham8a on October 26, 2012, 01:38:12 am
SoW is better to use on Immortals and with Reflective anyways. There's basically zero reason after the introduction of pendulums to prohibit a mono PU dragon.

Pendulums are clunkier (probably ends up being 0.25 turns slower on average).
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: ddevans96 on October 26, 2012, 02:37:50 am
Slower than what? A duo being slower than a mono PU dragon rush? Then give Phase Dragon slightly less attack than the normal if it really is an issue, which I'd doubt. At this point, having immortal is just silly.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Captain Scibra on October 26, 2012, 05:07:38 pm
Slower than what? A duo being slower than a mono PU dragon rush? Then give Phase Dragon slightly less attack than the normal if it really is an issue, which I'd doubt. At this point, having immortal is just silly.

I have always thought that... It always seemed to take away that ALL dragons are supposed to be big vanilla beat sticks.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Angriness on January 16, 2013, 04:10:18 pm
I have never really liked any of the dragons...I just don't think they are that effective
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: UnderneathTheLens on January 16, 2013, 07:35:06 pm
I have never really liked any of the dragons...I just don't think they are that effective

You know, my favorite dragon would have to be leaf dragon. It's a rebel from the others (not a "big vanilla beat stick") and I like that. Also, it has an ability.

Anyway, I like phase dragon too. The upped art looks great, and I love how it's "Elite", while a lot of the others are just boring gemstones or time periods or rocks.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: kimham8a on January 17, 2013, 12:33:01 am
I have never really liked any of the dragons...I just don't think they are that effective

You know, my favorite dragon would have to be leaf dragon. It's a rebel from the others (not a "big vanilla beat stick") and I like that. Also, it has an ability.

Anyway, I like phase dragon too. The upped art looks great, and I love how it's "Elite", while a lot of the others are just boring gemstones or time periods or rocks.
Phase dragon's quite a rebel too.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: cunnyravu on January 19, 2013, 10:11:41 pm
by far the best of all the dragons
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: DrunkWizard on March 20, 2013, 10:06:11 pm
very affective for its lowcost.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Fireleaf on March 20, 2013, 10:14:29 pm
Please don't make valueless posts like this on (relatively) old threads just for the sake of posting. It's really annoying because then this thread starts showing up in everybody's "Show unread posts since last visit" window when it really doesn't need to.

And is 13 :aether really a low cost? Just saying...
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: SL234 on April 21, 2013, 09:08:56 am
Pointless too expensive to use early in game
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Kowlickkid on January 09, 2014, 09:04:40 pm
A rather expensive cost for 8 damage, but can be worth it if the opponent doesn't have a shield capable of repelling effectively. Immortality is a blessing and a curse. No possible cloning or damage enhancing in exchange for near intangibility. Flood and thorn shield can destroy. Still, a useful card combined with phase shield.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on February 14, 2016, 08:49:34 am
Aren't dragon supposed to be beatstick vanilla? So why is this the only dragon who gets special status as soon as it enters the field? Will it be more fair if they implemented similar mechanic to other elements' dragon? Something like these:
 :water Has very high stats but enters the field frozen.
 :air Dives in the first turn.
 :earth Enters the game burrowed.
 :death Has very high attack but mediocre HP and enters the game poisoned.
 :entropy Random stats.
 :gravity Enters the game with momentum or gravity pull.
 :time Enters the play delayed.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: tereret on February 14, 2016, 08:55:15 am
OK... so sky dragon should deal x2 dmg when enters?
13x2x1.5x2=78 damage, a litle bit OP, don't you think so?
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Espithel on February 14, 2016, 08:57:00 am
Aren't dragon supposed to be beatstick vanilla?

Fun fact: Phase dragon did indeed used to be a beatstick vanilla.
It was considered OPOP and got nerfed.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on February 14, 2016, 09:02:29 am
OK... so sky dragon should deal x2 dmg when enters?
13x2x1.5x2=78 damage, a litle bit OP, don't you think so?
I didn't say that they must keep the attack stats. It should be lowered if it deals 2x damage when enters.

Fun fact: Phase dragon did indeed used to be a beatstick vanilla.
It was considered OPOP and got nerfed.
Then why didn't the other dragons get similar stats privilege?
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Espithel on February 14, 2016, 09:30:10 am
Fun fact: Phase dragon did indeed used to be a beatstick vanilla.
It was considered OPOP and got nerfed.
Then why didn't the other dragons get similar stats privilege?
Because they weren't considered OPOP.
Don't fix what isn't broken, after all.
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on February 14, 2016, 09:39:19 am
Fun fact: Phase dragon did indeed used to be a beatstick vanilla.
It was considered OPOP and got nerfed.
Then why didn't the other dragons get similar stats privilege?
Because they weren't considered OPOP.
Don't fix what isn't broken, after all.
Couldn't they just nerf it by lower the stats?
Title: Re: Phase Dragon | Elite Phase Dragon
Post by: Higurashi on February 14, 2016, 08:45:32 pm
It's unfortunately not that simple. It was only considered very strong because Parallel Universe is in the same element. This gave Aether 12 Dragons in a deck, 6 of them being heavily discounted and due to >5 HP not vulnerable to most CC. If you nerf the stats too much, it becomes useless on its own, and if you don't then it's still slightly OP with PU. The last option would be to reduce both cost and stats, but that made no thematical sense at all and did very little for Aether thematically and power-wise.

By making it immaterial, zanz preserved the Dragon theme of the largest hitter of the element and it gave Aether a unique kind of offense that could actually stallbreak (Immortal couldn't due to way too low total offense). The problem lies rather with the low power of Immortal now and then. In unrestricted, that problem was abated by SoW, but not completely solved. In restricted, Immortal is sadly mostly useless.
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