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Re: Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1988.msg1069244#msg1069244
« Reply #84 on: May 11, 2013, 03:34:25 pm »
Just saying that a lot a of deck have dim shield without having aether marks.
50/250 who have aether mark still is really lot comparing to any other. The normal if all alements were balance will have 20 which prove that aether is reallly powerfull element for beginner because of that card.

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Re: Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1988.msg1069274#msg1069274
« Reply #85 on: May 11, 2013, 04:51:11 pm »
Not trying to push the point, but 60% mono aether with ~20% mono aether with aether mark makes 40% with mono aether without an aether mark (which makes it a duo or trio in most cases, not a mono - see linked definition of mono above).

:life deck can just as easily have a fire mark and explosions or a d :lifeeath mark and steal to get PC.
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Re: Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1988.msg1069953#msg1069953
« Reply #86 on: May 13, 2013, 05:55:03 pm »
great when you're using it, but crippling when it's being used against you
i had to change my deck from a mono-light to a duo dark-light JUST so I could have steal to get rid of it b/c so many ppl use the strategy where you play another one right before the first one goes away.  >:(

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Re: Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1988.msg1070471#msg1070471
« Reply #87 on: May 15, 2013, 12:27:12 pm »
Not trying to push the point, but 60% mono aether with ~20% mono aether with aether mark makes 40% with mono aether without an aether mark (which makes it a duo or trio in most cases, not a mono - see linked definition of mono above).

:life deck can just as easily have a fire mark and explosions or a d :lifeeath mark and steal to get PC.
No not acoording to your definition of mono deck. Mono deck can have different mark but no different cards than your elements (steal and explosion are not life cards).

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Re: Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1988.msg1070529#msg1070529
« Reply #88 on: May 15, 2013, 05:47:05 pm »
Not trying to push the point, but 60% mono aether with ~20% mono aether with aether mark makes 40% with mono aether without an aether mark (which makes it a duo or trio in most cases, not a mono - see linked definition of mono above).

:life deck can just as easily have a fire mark and explosions or a d :lifeeath mark and steal to get PC.
No not acoording to your definition of mono deck. Mono deck can have different mark but no different cards than your elements (steal and explosion are not life cards).

Exactly. A mono aether deck has no reason to have a non-aether mark, meaning those decks that you mentioned with non-aether marks are not mono aether.
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Re: Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1988.msg1070599#msg1070599
« Reply #89 on: May 15, 2013, 10:11:54 pm »
we are not alking about the same thing, you said that every mono can put explo or steal, but if you put those are not, they are not mono.
You can put dim. shield in other deck than mono-aether too.

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Re: Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1988.msg1075925#msg1075925
« Reply #90 on: May 31, 2013, 10:07:41 am »
I think its undeniable that these cards are good however i think they get worse the better you get because you discover more ways of dealing with them, for example a aether based deck with phase shields in bronze/silver will decimate opposition who are like  :'( when they see the chain of them, however play one in gold+ there are innumerable methods of dealing with them such as massive poison dmg, SoFree, SoFo etc.. so VERY good at lower lvls however imo less usefull as you progress. Rating about 7/10 for usefulness of this card

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Re: Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1988.msg1075928#msg1075928
« Reply #91 on: May 31, 2013, 10:12:12 am »
I find it quite sad due to the fact that mono aether decks are nothing without this card. It just doesnt have the speed for anything else

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Re: Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1988.msg1075990#msg1075990
« Reply #92 on: May 31, 2013, 02:47:32 pm »
agreed.

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Re: Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1988.msg1076070#msg1076070
« Reply #93 on: May 31, 2013, 08:24:58 pm »
I find it quite sad due to the fact that mono aether decks are nothing without this card. It just doesnt have the speed for anything else

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You are basically correct with regards to unupped decks, though. However, I don't really consider that a problem. Many elements only have effectively a single viable strategy as an unupped mono, and there are many ways to make aether duos/trios (even with just splashed non-aether cards) which do not use dim shield.

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None of this should be taken to mean I think dim shield is not OP. None of this should be taken to mean I think dim shield is OP. This should merely be taken to mean "there are definitely some good mono aethers that do not use dim shield" and "it is not a problem (or at least not a problem exclusive to aether) for there to only be only one viable strategy for an unupped mono deck of a given element"
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Re: Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1988.msg1077741#msg1077741
« Reply #94 on: June 06, 2013, 03:18:39 am »
Best Sheild ever in the game.My opinion.Just saying
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Re: Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1988.msg1081086#msg1081086
« Reply #95 on: June 18, 2013, 05:02:19 am »
Not sure which is better, this or the entropy shield. If you can keep it going, I think the entropy tops this.

 

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