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[Round 4] Boss + Writer Task https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61511.msg1227499#msg1227499
« on: March 14, 2016, 10:09:45 pm »
Boss & Writer Task, Week IV, Brawl V

Challenge: Write a story in which an Elements Philosopher and Elements Religious Figure debate over some topic.

Submission starts below the dotted line:

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"Number 30,122,519, you may proceed to the audience chamber..."

The Oracle sighed wistfully as he looked down towards the crowds from his shrine loft. The premonitions he'd seen in the turning of his Elemental Wheel indicated that there was to be conflict in the day ahead. Surprisingly, a conflict involving him directly. Even as he heard his assistant Eve, the one and only Rainbow Nymph, call out this next number, he felt that somewhere in that throng of Elementals seeking guidance was a disturber of what little order existed in the mass.

As usual, with some vague words, a gift, and a battle premonition he was able to soothe his next visitor. Anybody disappointed with their gift did not concern him - for, of course, fate did not suddenly change her plans for anyone. Generally the Oracle didn't change suddenly for anyone either, which he knew was going to be the problem as soon as a certain irregularity cropped up…

Eve called the next number with some confusion. It was over a million places higher than the last.

It meant someone was meddling with this established audience system. Again, the Oracle sighed. The only people in the realm powerful enough to put cracks in this old magic were the ones liable to think themselves above it. The False Gods. And while occasionally they came to seek advice, similar to other Elementals, more often it seemed to involve arguing and failed attempts to bully him.

Sure enough, a figure nearly twice as large as any other Elemental approached through the mass of patient Elementals. After clear condescension towards the crowds as well as irritation with the thickness of the throng, the figure eventually lifted into the air and began skiing through it, propelled by winged sandals.

“Ah, always hot-headed, Hermes,” sighed the Oracle to himself, moments before the fuming False God fluttered into his chamber.

"Hermes." Keeping his voice calm, the Oracle simply granted the respectful nod he did to everyone. Hermes, for his part, returned a scalding look. "I assume you had help from...Paradox? Or perhaps Lionheart? They both take pride, as I recall, in their capacities for clairvoyance."

"That’s your bloody problem, Oracle, you recall too much! Every day Our powers are further damaged because you point young Elementals in one of Our directions and allow them to prepare for a fight which you know they normally can only guess."

"Frankly, Hermes, it is your pride, not your power which is damaged. We have discussed this before." Though at this, the so-called God rapidly put a flaming sword to the philosopher's throat. Unperturbed, he answered the threat with, "We have discussed that before too."

Hermes snarled. "You take pride in reminding people of what they don't want to hear. Guess what, since you too have to be reminded of what you don't want to hear, WE ARE GODS. You are but a prophet, a leech feeding off our existence so that your followers keep coming back."

“The world is changing, Hermes,” muttered the Oracle, calmly retrieving his staff from beside his seat and lowering the blade with it. “You are Gods, or as close that exist in our realm, true. But war-gods. Your power and pleasure lies in battle. What would you do if you no longer had foes to fight? Would you be GODS then? Elementals are drawn to the Arena, where they battle shades of each other. They profit both in coin and cards, cards which you cannot offer them. If I did not remind them of your existence, would they remember to fear or fight you at all?”

"YOU GO TOO FAR!” screamed the insulted deity, “We are powerful, and any lowly Elemental would be proud to say they vanquished us fairly. But there are plenty who are too WEAK and you enable them to prey on Us!”

"As opposed to pray to you? Is that what you want Hermes?”

"You accept audiences with hundreds, possibly thousands of Elementals every day, give them whatever jumble of junk you somehow manage to dig up, tell them where to find Us knowing that they will ask the elders among them how best to defeat us - and you call that balance?"

"Yes."

"You cheapen the achievements of those who beat us with dignity. We are GODS! Our rightful place is as the most powerful beings in the land!”

The Oracle, observing the wheel, murmured, "At least you admit you're not invincible." Speaking again to his visitor, he replied, "Yet who holds the most power among the people – The God, or the Prophet who tells the people of the God?"

“I’D SAY THE GOD IF THE PROPHET HAD A SWORD THROUGH HIS THROAT!”

“Until the prophet no longer speaks of the God, and the God is forgotten. I say this not to diminish you, or place myself above you. The answer is we are two halves of the same whole. Without me, the Elementals will forget. They may stop coming back day after day to chance their luck against your strength. Without you, my gifts are hollow, and they would not come to me to seek my guidance.”

Other than the crackle of the flames along Hermes’s spine, and the slow creak of the shifting Elemental Wheel, silence grew between the two. The Oracle watched as the rage crumbled away from Hermes’ eyes, like ash from a smouldering coal.

“Would you like your fortune, Hermes?”

“I would like a great many things. I feel all I am likely to get from you is my fortune, however.” With a resigned sigh, he crossed the room to the balcony upon which he had entered.

Somberly, the Oracle spun the great wheel, watching until it clicked to a stop. “The Burning Pendulum: Today will be the foundation of something significant. The world is on fire, but is it a conflagration, or a controllable tool?  You must decide.”

Hermes stood on the balcony, preparing to fly. He turned to give the Oracle once last look. “You’ll never change, will you?”

“Fate never changes. Why should I?”

“The world is on fire. I like that.”
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Re: [Round 4] Boss + Writer Task https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61511.msg1227500#msg1227500
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2016, 10:09:59 pm »
Spoiler for Draft 1 Notes:
- The story begins by indicating that the Oracle holding audiences with a vast number of Elementals is a daily occurrence. (Secret reference: The number 122,519 can be rewritten as 1 2 25 19, the numerical equivalents for the letters ABYS.) It also indicates that something is going to go wrong today - and indeed it does when a False God shows up among the crowd.

- I characterized Hermes slightly from Greek mythology, slightly from his deck, and largely from being an arrogant divine pretender who still is not totally unreasonable.

- The debate begins concerning the Oracle's right to forecast false gods. Over time it also touches on principles of universal equilibrium and points towards powerlessness of both characters in certain regards.

- By the end it's a bit more relaxed and has mostly lost the contentious feeling such that it ends with the Oracle treating Hermes as a regular visitor, though maybe with a certain amount more confidence.

- The last statement in the current draft is based off the actual fortune for Fire Pillar.

- The Oracle and Hermes question, who is greater?
- The resolution ends up being that, while neither dispute the False Gods are more powerful, they and the Oracle both require each other in light of the popular Arena's institution.
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Re: [Round 4] Boss + Writer Task https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61511.msg1227513#msg1227513
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2016, 11:14:31 pm »
Religious Figures
Zanz (obvious)
The Oracle (semi-obvious, but I enjoy him as a character)
False Gods (hard to make decent characters out of them)

Philosophers
All of the above (Zanz could work here, do a sort of thing like the whole of elements is just a philosophical excercise in his mind or something)
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Rootranger
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2016, 02:45:02 pm »
Zanz, SG, and the basement within.

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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2016, 04:44:21 pm »
I know nothing about any the combination of three those other than that people seem to have some peculiar fixation with them and I don't actually know Zanz or SG except their names. Hire an older_ er, I mean veteran forumgoer.

For a less obvious character, what about the unnamed person who guides new players through the quests and upgrades cards for them?
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Re: [Round 4] Boss + Writer Task https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61511.msg1227627#msg1227627
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2016, 05:30:06 pm »
Zanz just seems like the obvious boring option. I'd suggest to go with something else.
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2016, 10:49:51 pm »
little busier this week, if you could put something together, I'll take it and tweak it on monday, if that's ok?

i like the oracle as a character as philosopher role, with a false god as the 'religious figure'. It can be an argument about the oracle giving players advice on which false god they will face. Could go into a discussion about who is more powerful, the god or the prophet who tells the people of the god, or something like that
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Re: [Round 4] Boss + Writer Task https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61511.msg1228123#msg1228123
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2016, 05:54:26 am »
Draft is up!

I provided a very brief summary and some additional notes in the second post.

I am also quite concerned that the whole thing has little to no cohesion as well as little to no actual debate, because when I start thinking about logic I tend to quickly begin rambling.

Spoiler for Draft 1:
"Number 30,122,519, you may proceed to the audience chamber..."

The Oracle sighed slightly as he looked down towards the crowds from his shrine loft. What he'd seen in his telescope following predawn meditation indicated that there was to be conflict
in the day ahead and that it would involve him directly. Even as he heard his assistant Eve, the one and only Chroma Nymph, call out this next number, he felt
that somewhere in that throng of elementals seeking guidance was a disturber of what little order existed in the mass.

As usual, with some vague words and a gift he was able to soothe those who arrived with problems. Any who he knew would go away grumbling, not pleased with
his advice or gifts, he still showed this kindness even though fate didn't change to meet their expectations - for, of course, fate did not suddenly change
for anyone. Generally the Oracle didn't change suddenly for anyone either, which he knew was going to be the problem as soon as a certain irregularity cropped up:
though Eve had called a ticket in the low hundred thousands before, the next (with confusion reflected in her voice) was nearly half a million higher.

It meant someone was meddling with this established audience system. Again, the Oracle sighed. The only people in the realm powerful enough to put cracks in
this old magic were the ones liable to think themselves above it. The False Gods. And while occasionally they came to seek advice, similar to other elementals,
more often it seemed to involve arguing and failed attempts to bully him.

Out the open-air structure of the shrine, sure enough, a figure nearly twice as large as any other elemental approached. After clear condescension towards the
crowds as well as irritation with the thickness of the throng, the figure eventually lifted into the air and began skaing through the air, propelled by
winged sandals. This, of course, let the Oracle quickly identify his visitor who entered shortly after.

"Hermes." Keeping his voice calm, the Oracle simply granted the respectful nod he did to everyone. Hermes, for his part, returned a scalding look.
"I assume you had help from...Paradox? Or perhaps Lionheart? They both take pride, as I recall, in their capacities for celerity."

"You recall too much, Oracle. Every day Our powers are further damaged because you point young elementals in one of Our directions and allow them to prepare
for a fight which you know they normally can only guess."

"Frankly, Hermes, it is your pride which is further damaged. We have discussed this before." The large Elemental rapidly had a flaming sword at the prophet's
throat. "We have discussed that before too. But, if you must be reminded of that which you wish not to hear, you are no more a deity than am I. I am as justified
in giving advice about encountering one of you as I would be about giving advice on any potential encounter."

"Then why don't you tell whoever comes to see you who'll they fight next at all, or what they'll have for breakfast tomorrow for that matter?" Hermes was spitting.

"Your group is the strongest currently in the realm and few would dispute it; running into you is far more significant than any other encounter. For the sake of
the weak, I tell them. Further, though a bit of an aside, each of you are far easier to locate." So saying, the Oracle took a step back from the Farenheit,
walked over to the wall, and began inspecting his fortune wheel (which had begun spinning as soon as Hermes entered)

"There are plenty who are not weak and you enable them to prey on Us!"

"As opposed to pray to you? Hermes, I do not stand for you. I advise to lead toward's fate's intended course, and since in our land it is not solely a
matter of the strong taking advantage of the weak - deny it if you want, you can be wrong - the tendency of fate is parity. You could ask Chaos Lord, and
though he has significantly refined his methods to cut out negatives he'd still agree the general principle of balance holds if being perfectly honest."

"You accept audiences with hundreds, possibly thousands of elementals every day, give them whatever miscellany you somehow manage to dig up, tell them where
to find Us knowing that they will ask the elders among them how best to defeat us - and you call that balance?"

"Yes."

"Giving out Our locations, knowing that they'll be told how best to attack us, does not give you a claim to seeking equity!"

The Oracle, observing the wheel, murmured, "At least you admit you're not invincible." Speaking again to his visitor, he replied, "How so? If your power decreases
and theirs increase, that is a step along fate's path."

Hermes, frustrated at apparently losing ground, jabbed his blade into the nearest thing he could reach. In this case, that was the wheel; the worn wood gain a new
scorch mark. "Besides...if you're such a firm believer in balance, where's the balance to you? You say what you're doing is in the name of stability yet you
wield uncallenged admiration and influence."

The next murmur was now audible to Hermes: "Fate will likely take that blow into account..." After saying this, the Oracle shifted slightly to glance over to his
guest. "I suppose that seems accurate, though I believe my balance still exists in a more subtle form." A pause. "Out of all the 'young elementals', as you described
them, who are waiting outside...how many of them do you think really admire me or are actually going to take my advice seriously?"

"Well...how would I know?"

"It's not many. To most, my value is not in who I am or what I know - it's in what they can get from me. I continue giving, on the grounds that it will, as I
mentioned earlier, all balance out over due course. But my true influence? I do not claim divinity as you do and those to whom I speak do not usually take
my words to heart, only my gifts and directions towards...well, you and the others, for reasons I already gave. My work towards balance, as well, I know is
not carried to fruition at least as often as it is. For every ten Elementals who recieve gifts from me, perhaps one or two will cultivate them in conjunction
with their own talents to grow. At least three more will complain the gift doesn't match them (thereby missing the point), another two will sell it off at first
opportunity, and the remainder will fail to learn from their elders or their own mistakes and probably continue to do so for the forseeable future."

At the very least, the expression Hermes wore slowly softened from hatred to vague interest. "...and you keep going why, knowing most of what you do is wasted
outright?"

"Strictly speaking, it's not wasted outright...but let me ask you a question in return first. Why do you continue training and fighting, knowing that you're
prepared against most threats?"

"It's just what...I do... Oh. Okay, bad question I guess."

"There are no 'bad questions', just some which can't be answered well, such as motivation. Speaking of motivation..."

The wheel stopped. The all-important gleaming ticker on the right side contained the slice of the circle with the :fire mark. "It seems that fortune favors
you in this regard today, Hermes." After consulting several scratches and marks on the wheel, the Oracle handed over a scroll for the summoning of a pillar.
As well and as per custom, he delivered a prediction to his visitor.

"Today will be the foundation of something significant...which I do sincerely hope after our talk. If you wish to remain the best, you know why I'm sending you
challengers. Further, my friend, the world is on fire; whether it is as a conflagration or a tool is now up to you."
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2016, 10:46:06 am »
It is good in parts but quite long and a bit off-topic, but a great place for me to edit from. Expect a fair amount of changes but in general really great work  (as always :D)
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Re: [Round 4] Boss + Writer Task https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61511.msg1228195#msg1228195
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2016, 04:46:04 pm »
Adding JCJ's modified version here on the principle of documentation.

Spoiler for Draft 2:
"Number 30,122,519, you may proceed to the audience chamber..."

The Oracle sighed wistfully as he looked down towards the crowds from his shrine loft. The premonitions he'd seen in the turning of his Elemental Wheel indicated that there was to be conflict in the day ahead. Surprisingly, a conflict involving him directly. Even as he heard his assistant Eve, the one and only Rainbow Nymph, call out this next number, he felt that somewhere in that throng of Elementals seeking guidance was a disturber of what little order existed in the mass.

As usual, with some vague words, a gift, and a battle premonition he was able to soothe his next visitor. Anybody disappointed with their gift did not concern him - for, of course, fate did not suddenly change her plans for anyone. Generally the Oracle didn't change suddenly for anyone either, which he knew was going to be the problem as soon as a certain irregularity cropped up…

Eve called the next number with some confusion. It was over a million places higher than the last.

It meant someone was meddling with this established audience system. Again, the Oracle sighed. The only people in the realm powerful enough to put cracks in this old magic were the ones liable to think themselves above it. The False Gods. And while occasionally they came to seek advice, similar to other Elementals, more often it seemed to involve arguing and failed attempts to bully him.

Sure enough, a figure nearly twice as large as any other Elemental approached through the mass of patient Elementals. After clear condescension towards the crowds as well as irritation with the thickness of the throng, the figure eventually lifted into the air and began skiing through the air, propelled by winged sandals.

“Ah, always hot-headed, Hermes,” sighed the Oracle to himself, moments before the fuming False God fluttered into his chamber.

"Hermes." Keeping his voice calm, the Oracle simply granted the respectful nod he did to everyone. Hermes, for his part, returned a scalding look. "I assume you had help from...Paradox? Or perhaps Lionheart? They both take pride, as I recall, in their capacities for clairvoyance."

"That’s your bloody problem, Oracle, you recall too much! Every day Our powers are further damaged because you point young Elementals in one of Our directions and allow them to prepare for a fight which you know they normally can only guess."

"Frankly, Hermes, it is your pride, not your power which is damaged. We have discussed this before."

The so-called God rapidly had a flaming sword at the philosopher's throat. "We have discussed that before too. But, if you must be reminded of that which you wish not to hear, WE ARE GODS. You are but a prophet, a leech feeding off our existence so that your followers keep coming back."

“The world is changing, Hermes,” muttered the Oracle, calmly lowering the blade. “You are Gods, or as close that exist in our realm, true. But war-gods. Your power and pleasure lies in battle. What would you do if you no longer had foes to fight? Would you be GODS then? Elementals are drawn to the Arena, where they battle shades of each other. They profit both in coin and cards, cards which you can not offer them. If I did not remind them of your existence, would they remember to fear or fight you at all?”

"YOU GO TOO FAR!” screamed the insulted deity, “We are powerful, and any lowly Elemental would be proud to say they vanquished us fairly. But there are plenty who are too WEAK and you enable them to prey on Us!”

"As opposed to pray to you? Is that what you want Hermes?”

"You accept audiences with hundreds, possibly thousands of Elementals every day, give them whatever jumble of junk you somehow manage to dig up, tell them where to find Us knowing that they will ask the elders among them how best to defeat us - and you call that balance?"

"Yes."

"You cheapen the achievements of those who beat us with dignity. We are GODS! Our rightful place is as the most powerful beings in the land!”

The Oracle, observing the wheel, murmured, "At least you admit you're not invincible." Speaking again to his visitor, he replied, "Yet who holds the most power among the people – The God, or the Prophet who tells the people of the God?"

“I’D SAY THE GOD IF THE PROPHET HAD A SWORD THROUGH HIS THROAT!”

“Until the prophet no longer speaks of the God, and the God is forgotten. I say this not to diminish you, or place myself above you. The answer is we are two halves of the same whole. Without me, the Elementals will forget. They may stop coming back day after day and chance their luck against your strength. Without you, my gifts are hollow, and they would not come to me to seek my guidance.”

Other than the crackle of the flames along Hermes’s spine, and the slow creak of the shifting Elemental Wheel, Silence grew between the two. The Oracle watched as the rage crumbled away from Hermes’ eyes, like ash from a smouldering coal.

“Would you like your fortune, Hermes?”

“I would like a great many things. I feel all I am likely to get from you is my fortune, however.”

Mournfully, the Oracle span the great wheel. “The Burning Pendulum: Today will be the foundation of something significant. The world is on fire, but is it a conflagration, or a controllable tool?  You must decide.”

Hermes stood on the balcony, preparing to fly. He turned to the Oracle. “You’ll never change will you?”

“Fate never changes, why should I?”

“The world is on fire. I like that.”
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